Even here. We had many miles of empty roads on Sunday. If one knows where to go there is still solitude to be had whilst riding.True of France, Germany and Italy, too. Even tiny Luxembourg can be ‘empty’.
Even here. We had many miles of empty roads on Sunday. If one knows where to go there is still solitude to be had whilst riding.True of France, Germany and Italy, too. Even tiny Luxembourg can be ‘empty’.
I’d say it’s the opposite . Modern bikes with Euro 5+ emissions are much quieter than older bikes .I like to keep it stealthy if I can. Modern bikes are effin' noisy on idle (and that's before the proud owner blows a grand on an Akrapovic), you can really hear them as they leave a hotel. My old 11 is barely audible and that's the way I like it. You don't get chased by dogs so much either.
Quiet bikes save beautiful placesI like to keep it stealthy if I can. Modern bikes are effin' noisy on idle (and that's before the proud owner blows a grand on an Akrapovic), you can really hear them as they leave a hotel. My old 11 is barely audible and that's the way I like it. You don't get chased by dogs so much either.
I’d say it’s the opposite . Modern bikes with Euro 5+ emissions are much quieter than older bikes .
I was in the Cotswolds in late August for a weddingA few weeks ago we had a 3 day break in the Cotswolds and went further down the Fosse than our usual destination of Bourton on the Water. At places like Tetbury and Castle Coombe we couldn't find a place to park the bikes due to the hoards of tourists and we didn't even bother trying to get through Bibery because Google Maps showed gridlock all around. Never again.
You mean like the £5500 Akra on my X-Diavel ( that I didn’t fit ) ?Until someone (all but inevitably) rips off the exhaust / catalytic system and installs a bellowing howling monster in their place. Yup, they come off the production line fully (or pretty much) compliant, but very few will stay that way. Even scooters get the ‘Akra treatment’.
You mean like the £5500 Akra on my X-Diavel ( that I didn’t fit ) ?![]()
I was thinking much the same about the very analogue 1100.
In theory, amongst the ‘greenest’ ways to travel on a motorcycle. Its build carbon footprint went years ago.
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Hmm, bigger bikes like 1300 GSs seem to have a real bassy noise (done with the exhaust flap maybe?). Ditto T7s and the like. My bike sounds pathetic by comparison.I’d say it’s the opposite . Modern bikes with Euro 5+ emissions are much quieter than older bikes .
Hmm, bigger bikes like 1300 GSs seem to have a real bassy noise (done with the exhaust flap maybe?). Ditto T7s and the like.
That’s really sad to hear. You would have hoped that people would generally behave….A lot of years ago I recommended a hotel on another forum , we had used it for years with zero issues and despite it now being closed we are still friends with it's now retired owner.
We were talking to her the following summer when we visited and she mentioned a group of "UK bikers" who had stayed as a result of my recommendation and that they had been a complete pain in the @rse due to their drunken behaviour and general behaviour.
Now I am loathed to recommend places
I would not recommend specific places because of incidents like this. A generic recommendation of an area but not a particular hotel, Inn etc.A lot of years ago I recommended a hotel on another forum , we had used it for years with zero issues and despite it now being closed we are still friends with it's now retired owner.
We were talking to her the following summer when we visited and she mentioned a group of "UK bikers" who had stayed as a result of my recommendation and that they had been a complete pain in the @rse due to their drunken behaviour and general behaviour.
Now I am loathed to recommend places
That’s really sad to hear. You would have hoped that people would generally behave….
That’s got me thinking now as well….
Absolutely agree with all of the above. Good postthere is a risk that a bunch of cúnts will see a review and go to a place one recommends but for me, I like to promote places I have liked as most people seem to be decent folk, even if they are quite unpleasant in front of a screen and keyboard. You mentioned a place near Verdun that is struggling and a few people from here staying there might just be enough to tip them over into remaining solvent. That area is tough. A couple of places I have used in the Argonne area west of Verdun are closed now. Owners retired and they could not sell them as viable businesses. Even Verdun itself has few hotels for the size of town as the vast majority of people are blatting past on the A4 to points further south or east.
Yep, well that's what I meant when I said that you cannot control your audience on SM.A lot of years ago I recommended a hotel on another forum , we had used it for years with zero issues and despite it now being closed we are still friends with it's now retired owner.
We were talking to her the following summer when we visited and she mentioned a group of "UK bikers" who had stayed as a result of my recommendation and that they had been a complete pain in the @rse due to their drunken behaviour and general behaviour.
Now I am loathed to recommend places
I agree with this. Sharing places and experiences is part of what makes travel forums valuable. A place might become busier after being recommended, but that doesn't mean people should stop sharing their discoveries. Not everyone knows where to go, and a little advice can help someone find a wonderful experience they might otherwise have missed. At the end of the day, discovering and sharing new places is part of the fun of travelling.This was a question asked by Simon_100 in the Oilheads subsection, in a thread about a bod’s (excellent) extended jaunt in Spain. It came about, in part at least, talking about the marmite town of Potes.
They more or less are! Many roads are being resurfaced with 'eco' stuff that's the doggies doodah's here, including mine - see below ...
Potes, is perhaps an example of somewhere that became popular - at least for motorcyclists - simply because it started appearing in every ‘Biker friendly, must do’ article and route suggestion. That the town also gets listed in umpteen ‘Nice places to visit’ travel guides, means that it’s on just about every local itinerary….. a bit like Burton-on-the-Water.
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I wonder how many of us keep our very favourite places to ourselves in...
From my point of view, nothing exists in a vacuum for long. Well before the internet, people of all sorts were recommending places across the globe to go to. That these recommendations were usually in a book (travel guides have been around for many, many years) and / or in travel programmes on the television, maybe restricted the audience and / or many people had less disposable income - or the transport means - to go to see the places. That has changed, arguably for the better and certainly for the easier.
That aside, people like to be told of places. This forum and travel section has many examples each month. Anything from requests for an entire holiday, through to specific gorges or a plea for a road of perhaps 30 miles of ‘twisties’ from A to B. Similarly, people like to plug hotel XYZ, which they have discovered. And really, why keep quiet about it? For every, “This is my secret place”, that there will often be 10 or more within a few miles is almost certain, whilst 10 to 1 says, you’ll not be the only person on the globe to know about it anyway. It’s easy to moan, “The place was full of other people….” but then all but ignore that the moaner themselves also formed a part of the ‘other people’, too. Yes, magazines will publish “This is a cracking road”, because, put simply, there is a demand for it *. Yes, people will ask for “Tell me a quiet hotel, close to where I want to go”. Sometimes it’s out of laziness or a lack of imagination (this forum is often overly quick to criticise ‘youth’ for being spoon fed) but quite often simply because people just don’t know. Even something like finding Instagram customer service contacts trips people up, since the official ones are buried in the Help Center. In a way, it is nice to help them discover “This is my secret” and hopefully help them to have a good time.
You can see the responses on the forum: “But that misses out the road from X to Y, it’s sublime”. So, people do like sharing things or, at its most base, just enjoy criticising for the sake of it.
there have been a few articles in the papers about boomers being more willing to spaff their offspring's inheritance on trips
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Pensioners ‘spending their children’s inheritance to go on more holidays’
The trend, known as ski-ing – meaning ‘spending the kids’ inheritance’ – could be down to older people being fitter and wealthier than younger generationswww.independent.co.uk
it has a name SKIing (spending kids inheritance) according to a Times articel
To be fair, that sort of activity can be seen from home-grown idiots, if anything, more.
Possibly more than the quality of the roads, or at least on par with, I put a high value on solitude on the road. Be that as a group, or solo. Thankfully that is still very achievable in Spain, especially midweek. The thing I like about Spain is that it's still very rural outside of the main towns and cities without being extreme like in the big continents. There are areas, places, towns and villages that will never be tourist traps but that have a certain "charm" of their own; one-horse towns that look deserted as you chug by; Molina De Aragon isn't a one-horse town, but it's too remote to be much of a tourist attraction. The first thing you see from miles away as you approach is the Moorish castle which looms protectively over the town. There are many like it dotted all over Spain. There are many little gems.