In ear monitors

judge.....

been considering a set of UE monitors for sometime, but always been concerned about gummed-up drivers. I do suffer from excess wax, had to have grommets when I was younger.... are the monitors easy to clean or do they have to be sent away?
 
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I'm still trying to work out if that's you in the avatar how I managed to missed you on the stand as I was there for all four days :nenau

You will also be benefitting from the very latest version of the monitor, having been let down by cable suppliers a number of times we have set about getting our own cable manufactured to our own requirements, they are a drastic change to previous incarnations. Actually had someone observe they might now be too robust :doh

Thats great news,that is me in the pic i was there sunday, and if im not mistaken it was you i paid my money to.Thought the guys on the stand were real helpful to,very knowledgeable knew their product.....:Motomartin
 
Thats great news,that is me in the pic i was there sunday, and if im not mistaken it was you i paid my money to.Thought the guys on the stand were real helpful to,very knowledgeable knew their product.....:Motomartin

was he in the green gear then:D:D:D:D
 
judge.....

been considering a set of UE monitors for sometime, but always been concerned about gummed-up drivers. I do suffer from excess wax, had to have grommets when I was younger.... are the monitors easy to clean or do they have to be sent away?

They come supplied with a cleaning tool to help keep the end opening clear of debris. A good cleaning regime is critical its where mine failed.

Ear wax naturally works its way out of the ear canal (meatus) into the concha (the bit where the ear canal opens up to the outside world). So just keep the concha clear of any discharged wax with a tissue/clean flannel or baby wipe. Avoid trying to pre-empt the wax removal process by inserting anything into ear canal.

When you've used your plugs they will come out of your ear looking wet, this is likely a combination of sweat and liquid wax (both clear in appearance). Wipe the plugs and put them in the protective case.

When allowed to cool liquid wax will firm up into deposits of wax we know (yellow/golden brown) and will appear in spots over the er plug. Use the supplied cleaning tool to clear out any debris from the open end of the plug and wipe over with a clean damp cloth or as I do a baby wipe.

If you follow these measures you'll reduce the likliehood of damaging a driver due to wax ingression.

Hope this helps.
 
...You will also be benefitting from the very latest version of the monitor, having been let down by cable suppliers a number of times we have set about getting our own cable manufactured to our own requirements, they are a drastic change to previous incarnations. Actually had someone observe they might now be too robust :doh

That's good to know - I ordered mine from you at the NEC too, and was just starting to thing "Where the hell have they got to" when I read this thread.

Better to wait for the improved product IMHO - although a bit of pro-active comms from the guys at the factory might have been a good idea ;)
 
I bought my set of ultimate ear plugs at the Excel show last year. In fact, Judge, you did the sale;)

I always wear a buff and pass the cable underneath it, making sure it is loose. I also keep my ipod in my pocket so the cables don't stretch.

After 6 months the protective covering of the wires had split away from the ear pieces and the cables frayed. I sent them back and they were returned promptly within 7 days, with a protective sheath where the cables go into the earplug.

After another 3 months I had the same problem, and sent them back at the end of November. They were returned to me in January and had a completely new and much heavier duty cable, but only up to the point where the cable splits to the 2 ear plugs. But this is not where the problem occurs. The problem occurs because there is insufficient support for the cable where it comes out of the ear plugs.

They are now going to go back for a third time because when I got them back only one of the monitors work and all I get in one ear is crackling, so they obviously weren't repaired properly.

I make absolutely no complaint about the actual earplug, they are the most comfortable thing I have ever worn in my ears and they really do block out the noise. I researched these long and hard, as it was a huge amount of money to spend and we only get one set of hearing, so I thought it was worth the money.

I'll keep you posted to let you know how I get on, but these will be returned for the third time with a very strongly worded letter.
 
Been watching ... time to jump in :eek:

Jim Brown (RIP) and now myself been doing the OTS Monitors from Earinc USA since 2005, we've sold dozens with not one complaint :eek:

The OTS monitors have the speaker in the wires at about chest level, with durable plastic tubing up to the 'Instamold' custom ear plug aka stethoscope style.... no wires to break.

No one has complained about the quality, you quite simply aint gonna have a ten speaker surround Bose system serenading you, but for motorcycling use they really are exeptional. Top quality materials ... not one complaint in four years :thumb

I'll be listening to my music fighting the elements to the Dragon Rally in the morning :thumb

:beerjug:

PS £145.00 fitted... 10% discount to subscribed Tossers :thumb
 

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I bought a set of UE plugs at the NEC in 2007 as did a mate I was with.

We've both now gotten through 2 sets, with my 2nd set ready to go back again.

Either the cables fraying or popping out of the mould completely.
 
I noticed at the MCN bike show that the design of the UE monitors had been changed and the cables beefed up. It is always a fear that the cable on mine (about 6/8 months old) are going to break at the mold and feck up. It is a lot of money to spend and be so fragile. I appreciate that you need to be careful but when fully kitted and after a long ride accidents happen with them getting caught, snagged, tugged etc. Are Ultimate Ear offering an upgrade program to the stronger cable design?

I Feel this should be the case to a certain degree and whilst the different cables is a development of the product it is also an admission of the problem that people have had with breakages. What does UE say?

Adie
 
good question

I noticed at the MCN bike show that the design of the UE monitors had been changed and the cables beefed up. It is always a fear that the cable on mine (about 6/8 months old) are going to break at the mold and feck up. It is a lot of money to spend and be so fragile. I appreciate that you need to be careful but when fully kitted and after a long ride accidents happen with them getting caught, snagged, tugged etc. Are Ultimate Ear offering an upgrade program to the stronger cable design?

I Feel this should be the case to a certain degree and whilst the different cables is a development of the product it is also an admission of the problem that people have had with breakages. What does UE say?

Adie

I paid nearly £200 for mine from ultimate ear, used them about 30 times then noticed the lead had frayed on one side, and had started to come adrift on the other. New uprated lead were fitted after a 3 week wait under warranty as they were about 11 months old.
If they fail after the warranty, i would quote `fit for purpose` rule as an item costing a lot of money would be expected to last longer than 1 year.
By the way, i think they are great, just wish they were better constructed...
 
If they fail after the warranty, i would quote `fit for purpose` rule as an item costing a lot of money would be expected to last longer than 1 year.

Aha, the usual good old stroppy, belligerent, 'Not fit for purpose', 'It's a disgrace' route beloved by macho GS riders....

Why not try being vaguely pleasant and ask if they would kindly consider mending something that was expensive, had been well used but had now failed out of warranty?

Who knows, it may just work.
 
Its a curious thing...

Ultimate have been selling the 'Airtube' monitor for a year now as an alternative to the full electrical version, in talking through the two systems to customers pros and cons, in most cases customers still choose the electrical version because they want the best sound delivery, even though it is clear for all to see the electrical version with wires, drivers and soldering joints contained within the plug it is a more fragile product over the airtube with no moving parts contained within the plug.

Our cable problem was one of stipping/fraying or in some cases brittle cables (oily skin caused a reaction to the cable) as we were supplied 3 different types of bad cables.

Cables detatching from the ear plug are not caused by the wrong cable but a consequence of use and imposed construction constraints. How to overcome this?

User Education:
Well education is one way in all too many cases poor handling of the plugs and cables is a direct cause of the failure.

Re-routing Cables or Moving the Cable Exit:
Re-routing cables or re-positioning the exit point of the cable - Place the exit point in the centre of the plug or route (loop) the cable out over the ear (behind the pinner) will increase the likiehood of discomfort from a close fitting helmet - the very comfort issue many are seeking to overcome from helmet mounted speakers.

For me the best solution for on-bike use is the airtube with the cable exit at the Tragus, its what I use, its cheaper to buy and yet for every ten sets of monitors we sell, customers order nine electrical monitors to every one airtube monitor. In the fortunate position I am in by having both airtube and electrical I have a choice, using the airtubes on the bike where the 'quality' of sound is less critical and the electrical monitor is used off the bike as my earphones of choice, travelling (airplanes, trains) sitting at home listening to music, anywhere where quality of sound coupled with excellent sound isolation is a requirement. To the point where my Bose in-ear phones and Sennheiser over the ear headphones are now redundant.

Most suppliers have ducked this one by removing choice from the customer, you want a monitor you can have one and one only, they know music-wise and comfort-wise they are not up there, but they can make them in their restricted agent base (without having to hand the sale over to a 3rd party and lose profit) and they are more robust so that's 'good enough' then.

At Ultimate we have spent a great deal of time and money getting the product that the customer demands right, its a continual development cycle which yes you the customer may well have to get involved with, product eveolution, everyone who actually designs and produces their own products does this - or we just remove choice, concentrate solely on profit and everyone is happy right :nenau

A heck of a lot of electrical monitors have been sold over the years, the vast majority have provided the quality experience those customers desired and paid for, but every failure is a problem that we need to overcome and that's what the company will strive to do.
 
Contact UE http://www.ultimateear.com/asp/contact.htm and ask, perhaps?

Let us know what they say, please.

My comments/question, whilst not directed at the UE agent posting here (judge) I thought he might have answered, I see that he has responded to the thread since my post but not commented on my points.

I will probably contact UE and raise the issue with them, as you wish I will pass the info on.

My brother also has a set of these ordered about 3-4 months after mine and are of the same construction. I must confess that I placed my order direct with UE and used another agent for the molds but at no time was I offered the air-tube version so maybe my monitors are a little older than I think and the air-tubes weren't developed for them to suggest?

Adie
 
... even though it is clear for all to see the electrical version with wires, drivers and soldering joints contained within the plug it is a more fragile product

Do you really think I would have spent all that money on the UE monitors if the salesperson described them as a fragile product?

And blaming the customer for poor handling of the plugs just isn't on.

I think your responses, if anything judge, are pouring petrol onto the flames.

Nick: the legal standpoint according to Which Legal Service is 'breach of contract'. This covers situations where you have a reasonable expectation that the product should last longer than the manufacturer's warranty period.

Tim
 
My comments/question, whilst not directed at the UE agent posting here (judge) I thought he might have answered, I see that he has responded to the thread since my post but not commented on my points.

I will probably contact UE and raise the issue with them, as you wish I will pass the info on.

My brother also has a set of these ordered about 3-4 months after mine and are of the same construction. I must confess that I placed my order direct with UE and used another agent for the molds but at no time was I offered the air-tube version so maybe my monitors are a little older than I think and the air-tubes weren't developed for them to suggest?

Adie

OK the last reply was too general for you Adie so here's one just for you.

Should your monitors require repair they will be repaired to the latest standard of production. But right now your monitors are working perfectly and for all we know will continue to do so. In your use they have not failed and there is no certainty that will change.

You are in the majority of users who have not suffered a failure and long may that remain.

Its not Ultimate's belief that the rate of repair warrants a total recall so therefore I don't feel there is justification to fix what isn't broken, I reccomment you continue to enjoy your prodcut free of the paranoia that they will break, cos they might not, in four and a half years of pretty constant use mine never.

As to why you weren't offerd air-tubes, if you went to an Audiologist Agent for impression taking that is all they do, take the impression and you place an order for the product free of their involvement direct with Ultimate.

Airtube monitors have been 'on the counter' at every show stand in the last year, along with many other shooting, musician, sleeping, filtered, industrial specific products.

For that reason if you want an upgrade before your product has failed I am certain you can have that done and should you enquire with the sales office a price will be offered to you to have it done.
 
Do you really think I would have spent all that money on the UE monitors if the salesperson described them as a fragile product?

I didn't describe them as fragile, I said more fragile than the air-tube.

And blaming the customer for poor handling of the plugs just isn't on.

Wrong again, I said it was a contributory factor in many cases.

I think your responses, if anything judge, are pouring petrol onto the flames.

Why doesn't that surprise me :rolleyes: You make of it what you will, others will do likewise. I am posting here as a member of this community who works for Ultimate and do so for the benefit of the community at large. I could just not bother but I choose otherwise and will continue to do so until I or the company believe it prudent not to do so.

Going on what others have already said publicly on this very thread and in private messages to me I have helped them.
 
You are in the majority of users who have not suffered a failure and long may that remain.

The majority of users commented on above - is that the majority of general users or the majority of motorcycle specific users? Do you consider the majority of users to be those that you not had complaints from?

To me it seems that by selling at the NEC, UE are specifically targeting motorcycle users with a product that seems to be unfit for the purpose - I.E. - strong enough for daily wear including taking on and off a helmet. They must be robust enough for this purpose.

From reading this thread, it seems to me that the majority of people who have responded to this thread have had issues.

Don't get me wrong. When they work they are an exceptional product and I absolutly loved them. I just got very pissed off when on a 2 month tour of the USA they frayed (and I lost sound) so I ended up using a set of Sennheiser's for a month. My mate on the trip couldn't even bring his because he had to send them back before the trip and they took so long getting fixed that he had to leave without them.
 
I've had my UE monitors since 2005 - used all the time on the bike, and on flights and holidays.
They've never broken, never failed. But i am very gentle and not oafish or clumsy and have a great deal of mechanical sympathy and rarely break anything, and don't have excess wax. :D Sorry, i didn't hear that.

I only use them to listen to my ipod, which is kept inside my jacket, except if it needs charging while on the "go", when the ipod then sits in the tank bag while being charged with the EU monitor lead extending from the tank bag to my ears.

The only recent problem is the R/H ear sometimes doesn't seal as well as it used too.

But overall i'd have no hesitation in replacing with a new pair.
 


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