And the point of that is?
My point was that the new BMW stuff seemed to be pretty poor quality, set aside whether it be a new or old config. The gear on my eleven year old Triumph seems better.
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And the point of that is?
My point was that the new BMW stuff seemed to be pretty poor quality, set aside whether it be a new or old config. The gear on my eleven year old Triumph seems better.
Ah!!
Be honest mate. Quite how did you rate the explorer?
Im a triumph man so when i rode the explorer i thought it was a better bike than the gs. Engine, steering, equipment etc, etc...
However.....
I cant quite put my finger on it but theres just something about he gs.
Driving me bloody nuts trying to decide.
I agree with you I had a test ride on the explorer and thought it was a good handling bike with a lot more power than the GS.When the WC GS was anounced with 125 bhp I put my name on the list right away.Back in 2006 I had a K1200s did about 9000 miles on it including spain ,france and even the Nurburgring I kept it for two years then replaced it with a busa then multistrada 12s big mistake,I am still looking for a bike that gives me that feelgood factor role on March 2013.
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I'd be prepared to pay extra to have the BMW style indicator switches, as an option, instead of the Jap style indicator switches.
Come on BMW, give us the choice !!! Pretty please.
Can't get fairer than that can you.
Come on BMW, give us the choice !!! Pretty please.
Can't get fairer than that can you.
jasperthehorse
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Explorer ordered im afraid.
Get it in march 13. I feel that for what i want to do its road bias will suit me better.
Neither it nor a gs would have seen so much as a muddy puddle so triumph it is
Get it in march 13. I feel that for what i want to do its road bias will suit me better.
Neither it nor a gs would have seen so much as a muddy puddle so triumph it is
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Had a trip round some alpine passes, this year, with a few bikes and most riders commented on how quick the exploder was out of the corners (may be i wasnt giving the gsa enough gas), still couldnt bring myself to buy a trumper though (even if it was a twin)
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Been riding bikes for 46 years, the last 36 on BMs and have always found the indicator switches a joy to use.
I really like the sound of the 1200WC GS but I'm having serious doubts about the change to Japanese style indicators which I have always found less easy or intuitive to use. My current and previous bikes have been 1200 GSs but the indicator change may just be enough to put me off another.
I would be prepared to pay extra to have the "old" style indicator switches.
My wife must be right, I really am a grumpy old git. There I've said it.
I really like the sound of the 1200WC GS but I'm having serious doubts about the change to Japanese style indicators which I have always found less easy or intuitive to use. My current and previous bikes have been 1200 GSs but the indicator change may just be enough to put me off another.
I would be prepared to pay extra to have the "old" style indicator switches.
My wife must be right, I really am a grumpy old git. There I've said it.
The ergonomically sound "three button" system has been dropped simply because it is a "three button" system: There is no longer enough room on the housings for so many buttons.
Blame those who want to be able to select suspension settings without resorting to a grubby spanner or check the tyre pressures without bending down, those who cannot journey anywhere without a button to tell them how much fuel range they have left and for whom a cruise control must have a 'resume' function because they cannot work the twist-grip without guidance.
For anyone with even the slightest dexterity, the "three button" system is quickly understood and becomes so intuitive in such a short time that they find the indicators seem to work without the rider consciously operating the buttons. That rules out most motorcycle journalists and the sort of people who cannot stir their tea without sticking the spoon up their nose.
How do such people cope with the variety of switch gear found in cars?
Blame those who want to be able to select suspension settings without resorting to a grubby spanner or check the tyre pressures without bending down, those who cannot journey anywhere without a button to tell them how much fuel range they have left and for whom a cruise control must have a 'resume' function because they cannot work the twist-grip without guidance.
For anyone with even the slightest dexterity, the "three button" system is quickly understood and becomes so intuitive in such a short time that they find the indicators seem to work without the rider consciously operating the buttons. That rules out most motorcycle journalists and the sort of people who cannot stir their tea without sticking the spoon up their nose.
How do such people cope with the variety of switch gear found in cars?
The ergonomically sound "three button" system has been dropped simply because it is a "three button" system: There is no longer enough room on the housings for so many buttons.
Blame those who want to be able to select suspension settings without resorting to a grubby spanner or check the tyre pressures without bending down, those who cannot journey anywhere without a button to tell them how much fuel range they have left and for whom a cruise control must have a 'resume' function because they cannot work the twist-grip without guidance.
For anyone with even the slightest dexterity, the "three button" system is quickly understood and becomes so intuitive in such a short time that they find the indicators seem to work without the rider consciously operating the buttons. That rules out most motorcycle journalists and the sort of people who cannot stir their tea without sticking the spoon up their nose.
How do such people cope with the variety of switch gear found in cars?
Agreed.
But surely there can't be that many more buttons than the current GS, other than the switches for the cruise control? Annoyingly, it seems that BMW has dropped the 3 button system due to pressure from the journo's and idiots that have never ridden a BMW.
Dig a little and you'll find that BMW didn't cave in to the idiot journalists (why would they when they've ignored them for the best part of thirty years?).
BMW has explained that it's a lack of room that has caused the switch (see what I did there?).
Okay, some models might have enough room but BMW has always sought commonality (probably for cost savings). When the first "three button" system was launched with the K-Series in 1985, BMW then introduced it on the 2-Valve R-Series for the remainder of its life. It probably makes sense for a lot of reasons to have as many shared components as possible.
BMW has explained that it's a lack of room that has caused the switch (see what I did there?).
Okay, some models might have enough room but BMW has always sought commonality (probably for cost savings). When the first "three button" system was launched with the K-Series in 1985, BMW then introduced it on the 2-Valve R-Series for the remainder of its life. It probably makes sense for a lot of reasons to have as many shared components as possible.
mcinlb
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Wait until the new GS has been out for a couple of months, somebody will come up with a retro system to fit
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Will you be able to put on your hazzard warnings with a single switch like you can with the current setup where you just press both paddles at the same time?
These a separate hazard warning button. So that's two indicator buttons so far.
I don't believe BMW removed the system as there isn't room for 3 switches, for a minute.
teamwimp
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thank goodness.
at last they see sense - the right hand is busy enough with all of the "go" and most of the "stop" without having to do 2/3 of the indicator work while the left hand takes time off.
at last they see sense - the right hand is busy enough with all of the "go" and most of the "stop" without having to do 2/3 of the indicator work while the left hand takes time off.
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Maybe an "option" on the adventure model 
I managed to ride my K1 with the three-button arrangement to the dealership for it's long overdue recall first thing, then jumped on an F800GS with the single-button switch, rode that around until the K1 was ready, then jumped back on it and rode home.
Oddly I managed to adapt to both arrangements instantly and never really gave it much thought (despite being of an age where changes in routine are to be avoided)
Oddly I managed to adapt to both arrangements instantly and never really gave it much thought (despite being of an age where changes in routine are to be avoided
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