Interesting / irritating set of symptoms

mylovelyhorse

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1999 R1150GS, 110,000 miles

Over the last few months my bike has been 'stuttering'. The RID flickers and revs drop. Sometimes this happens the once, sometimes as a series. Sometimes, however, the RID doesn't flicker when the engine stutters. It seems to happen when the bike is hot in the main. It also seems to most often occur around the 4-4.5k rpm mark, although that may be just my impression. It also seems to happen a lot more on acceleration (e.g. overtakes) but can occur when cruising steadily.

Another oddity is irregularity in the fuel level shown on the RID. after a stuttering event, quite often the fuel gauge may show a different level - e.g. suddenly flicking from nearly full to half empty and possibly then back again or to another value after another stuttering event. May be irrelevant but I have a fuel balancer installed in the tank.

After a little advice here, I changed the ignition unit / cable that runs from the switch to the main loom for a secondhand unit from Motorworks. When the symptoms persisted, I changed it again for a brand new unit from BMW.

I've not ridden the bike more than a few times in the last couple of months but this week I have started commuting again.

I filled the tank on Tuesday morning and the bike refused to start for a few mins afterwards. I thought that the tank might have a breather problem but (I had filled it right to the brim) these were some drips from the overfill tube and when I opened the tank there was no tell-tale hiss.

The next time I fuelled up, no problem. Yesterday evening I stopped to bung a few litres into the nearly empty tank, started up the bike and pulled away. 50 yards later the RID went blank and engine cut out. I pulled off the dual cabbageway I was on and parked up. The fuel injection wasn't pressurising and the RID stayed off, as did the other dash lights.

After about 10 minutes, I tried again. RID came on, bike fired up straight away. A few stutters on the rest of the trip (30 or so miles) but not too much.

Does anyone recognise this set of symptoms?
Any thoughts on what might be the best way to investigate?

My plan was to commute from the South coast into London every day but that looks rather unlikely if I can't resolve this situation :-(

I shall be changing the fuel filter today just in case it's somehow related to a blockage and I'm going to remove the fuel balancer device just in case that is something tondo with it, but frankly both actions are grasping at straws.

Cheers

mlh




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Sounds like the Hall sensor or its wiring is playing up. It will cause all your problems I believe, except for the fuel level issue.

Do a search on hear and you will find more info on it and how to test properly.

Remember though as it is only intermittent at the moment, you will need to wait for it to play up to test it.

On the plus side its quite easy to change.

Good luck
 
Hmm, that's a good point. I will have the tank off today and see if I can trace the wiring down to the Hall sensors.

If I remember correctly those are quite expensive to replace :(

Cheers

m


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1999 R1150GS, 110,000 miles


The next time I fuelled up, no problem. Yesterday evening I stopped to bung a few litres into the nearly empty tank, started up the bike and pulled away. 50 yards later the RID went blank and engine cut out. I pulled off the dual carriageway I was on and parked up. The fuel injection wasn't pressurising and the RID stayed off, as did the other dash lights.

After about 10 minutes, I tried again. RID came on, bike fired up straight away. A few stutters on the rest of the trip (30 or so miles) but not too much.

Does anyone recognise this set of symptoms?
Any thoughts on what might be the best way to investigate?

Cheers

mlh

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I had very similar symptoms on a bike many years ago. Would run, suddenly cut out. Stop and it would start again. Could never reproduce the symptoms in the garage.:confused:

Turned out (eventually) to be a faulty spring in the emergency cut out button and the vibration was breaking the contact.

Could be worth having a look:nenau


Hope this helps

Mike
 
Some interesting thoughts, thanks.

I am getting the bike to a diagnostic tool next weekend.

Cheers

M


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Headstock wiring breaking up caused by cable ties being a tad too tight ?

Could explain intermittent symptoms in different and unrelated symptoms.
 
Headstock wiring breaking up caused by cable ties being a tad too tight ?

Could explain intermittent symptoms in different and unrelated symptoms.

Now thats thinking out of the box - like it
 
It's a thought but the original was loosely fitted, so was both the first and second replacement. Of course it could still be that. I do hope not, 110k mile wiring is always suspicious :-(


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It's a thought but the original was loosely fitted, so was both the first and second replacement. Of course it could still be that. I do hope not, 110k mile wiring is always suspicious :-(

Might be worth spending half an hour with a multi meter testing resistances while wiggling things.....easy and free, and if it found signs of broken or breaking wire, potentially the answer.
 
Well, more interesting stuff.

Over the weekend I removed the fuel pump assembly to replace the fuel filter. The siphon had jammed against the fuel gauge arm so I un-jammed that and then removed the siphon to prevent reoccurrence. I can always reinstall later, after all. I also reattached the gauze fuel filter on the inlet for the fuel pump, which had come loose.

I also disconnected, cleaned and carefully reassembled all the connectors in the many blocks under the tank.

After that all indicator lights came on and the bike started just fine. As, however, the problem appears only to occur once the bike is hot, I decided to commute on it this morning.

Bike started fine this morning. At 6 miles I filled the tank. No problems. At 32 mikes after no problems at all, the RID went blank (except the clock) and the engine cut out. I coasted to a halt in a lay-by on the A31. There were no neutral light, no RID and no oil/ electrics lights showing, but after ten minutes of checking every minute or two, suddenly all was back.

Bike started and I set off. For the remainder of the journey (another 30 or so miles) there were fairly regular hiccups where the revs dropped momentarily, causing the bike to lurch. These were in ones and twos, not the long patterns of stutters that had been the case sometimes last week.

I got in to work and when I parked up I noticed that the neutral light would work with the bars centrally placed but that moving the bars to the left would knock it off. Never seen that before.

I suspect the ride home may be interrupted somewhat :(







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Split the loom from the clocks back to the head stock you may find that you have broken earth connections they multi join in places
 
Split the loom from the clocks back to the head stock you may find that you have broken earth connections they multi join in places


Yes, It's sounding more and more like an intermittent wiring break fault of some sort.
 
Split the loom from the clocks back to the head stock you may find that you have broken earth connections they multi join in places

Yeah, I think that is next Saturday's main activity.

God, I hate bike electrics :(


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