Interesting ORS Review

[JohnnyBoxer]

A ORS report from a chap who rode and broke one

http://www.xrv.org.uk/forums/bmw/85295-new-bmwgs1200-2.html


Seems they've bust a few rads already and the new LC is nowhere near as robust as the earlier models

BUT we already knew that

 

[Wrinkly]

As the man said for 99% of owners it's a far superior bike.

Lets be right here, the GS in any of it's guises is not an off road bike it's a road bike that has the ability to take you off road if necessary.

Only a fool would spend 15k on a bike that is going to spend the majority of it's time off road when less than half of that will buy a bike much more suited to the job.

A wise man would spend 15k on a bike that is going to assist him to make good comfortable progress on metalled roads but has the ability to cross most obstacles when the need arises.

It aint rocket science

Steve

 

[Callard]

Should not be ridden off road, far too dangerous On the road however it is a much better bike than the old ones

 

[Engineer]

A ORS report from a chap who rode and broke one

http://www.xrv.org.uk/forums/bmw/85295-new-bmwgs1200-2.html


Seems they've bust a few rads already and the new LC is nowhere near as robust as the earlier models

BUT we already knew that

Conclusion is that neither the older or new bike are suitable as off-roaders - but the new bike is miles better on the road. If most of your riding is off-road you wouldn't be on a GS anyway - nothing new in this.

The lack of low down torque is nonsense, this bike has more torque than the old one! - however the new E-gas throttle has definitely been 'softened' just off the end stop, but again this makes sense because the total throttle rotation has been reduced and with the increased power and torque of the new bike it could so easily overwhelm the rear grip (and scare the cr@p out of the pilot).

 

[Timolgra]

So, like a Fazer, it's just another road bike.
You're right, nothing new in this

 

[Engineer]

So, like a Fazer, it's just another road bike.
You're right, nothing new in this

The 1100, 1150, 1200 and new water cooled 1200 are and always have been predominately road bikes - nothing new there - just that the new one is an even better road bike than before but still has the ability to do some-off road. Perhaps the very worst of the GSes for off-road was the one that the marketing most hyped up, the 1150GS adventure, mainly because of Charlie and Ewan - but lot's of people bought into that hype.

 

[skywalker]

Drop one and you've always ran the risk of busting a rocker cover so nowt new there.
Stop torturing yourself JB you know you want one really

 

[cookie]

if you must take a GS off road, a sensible man would take an airhead. preferably a G/S.

i've not ridden either, but i can't imagine that the new GS is much like a fazer

 

[Flipfly]

What a load of gumpf.

My 1150 is fine off road, it has handled lots of muddy, rocky derbyshire trails with no problems. The difference is, my 1150 still looks good after it's been abused off road.
Low down grunt, stable handling, quality finish, it's a cracking tool on the trails as long as you keep up the momentum.

Unfortunately I think the days of dual purpose bikes are dead. Too many range rover sport lovers out there, they want the looks, but god forbid if they had to do any more than tackle a nasty kerb

I'm fine if people want the look, and don't want to off road it, but I think bike manufacturers are wrong in making all the concessions to road riding and it will ultimately lead to it becoming a fad and killing off the real concept of a true GS
Looking at the current range of wannabe off roaders available I think the Tenere is possibly the bike that ticks the most boxes for me now. Some simple mods I think would make it quite a tool off road. Either that or the 800gs which is about a true to the concept as you can be.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Perhaps the very worst of the GSes for off-road was the one that the marketing most hyped up, the 1150GS adventure, mainly because of Charlie and Ewan - but lot's of people bought into that hype.

What a lot of complete bollox

 

[cookie]

I'm fine if people want the look, and don't want to off road it, but I think bike manufacturers are wrong in making all the concessions to road riding and it will ultimately lead to it becoming a fad and killing off the real concept of a true GS

too late. it's already happened.

it's creeping up on the KTM adventure too now.

 

[Flipfly]

too late. it's already happened.

it's creeping up on the KTM adventure too now.

I know. KTM if they are going to road orientated bikes we're all doomed

Thankfully I already have my trusty low mileage 1150 Good for a 100k miles at least

As much as it pains me to say it, the 1200gsa may be the last of the proper GS's. maybe they'll be cheap once everyone starts changing over to power over function

 

[GS_or_bust]

ORS had a policy of not fitting engine bars because replacing the occasional head cover was cheaper than buying bars for all the bikes. If the head covers turn out to be more prone to damage, they will probably change that policy.

 

[Steptoe]

As the man said for 99% of owners it's a far superior bike.

Lets be right here, the GS in any of it's guises is not an off road bike it's a road bike that has the ability to take you off road if necessary.

Only a fool would spend 15k on a bike that is going to spend the majority of it's time off road when less than half of that will buy a bike much more suited to the job.

A wise man would spend 15k on a bike that is going to assist him to make good comfortable progress on metalled roads but has the ability to cross most obstacles when the need arises.

It aint rocket science

Steve

BMW have an ace up their sleeve.

They're going to bring out a GS/GS for those that want an old school type of gnarley GS that can take a bit of knocking around the edges.

At the moment they seem to be missing the whole point of over 30 years GS models , now they have a road bike dressed up as a GS.
The GS moniker attached to the bike is a major selling point, even though it's moving further and further away from what a GS stands for. .

 

[cookie]

it's a chelsea tractor, and that is fine by me. at least it's a fairly brisk one.


i'm trying one next week, but no interest in buying, at least until the proper, ahem, *off road* adventure model surfaces next year

 

[Flipfly]

BMW have an ace up their sleeve.

They're going to bring out a GS/GS for those that want an old school type of gnarley GS that can take a bit of knocking around the edges.

Surely that would be the BMW 1200 Enduro GS/GS Adventure Design Concept Edition Triple Black SE

Maybe it'll have a long nose like the 1100 just to get the name on

 

[Peperoni]

Terrible new GS

Hi

Just wondering if the most used Google search text by members of this forum is "Find something bad about the new WC GS" as it seems that's the major topic here

And no I dont have one.

N

 

[Malvern_Beemer]

It never ceases to amaze me how many tossers are willing to post what amounts to complete and utter b####cks on here from positions of utter ignorance.
I'm just back from a weekend at the ORS on a new R1200GS and i can say that what this bike can do off road is mind blowing (and that was just level one).
By all means post your opinions but please make at least a cursory effort to arm yourself with the facts before you spout off about the (new) GS no longer being an off road bike.
/rant

 

[Count]

It's not an off-road bike in a purist sense. I don't get why people expect that. The bike is equivalent to buying a high-end 4x4. While these cars are capable off-road, they won't beat a Landrover Defender in the right hands.

I have mine for the blend of a very capable road bike I can enjoy long miles on and enjoy good performance in better comfort. I can also stash all my gear and tour without compromise really. If I hit some rougher parts along the way I can handle that as well hopefully. Most of the time, if I'm carrying panniers and luggage and so on, my ideal isn't to find some beaten dirt track and scare the sheep. If I wanted to green lane, I'd buy a 250 or 400cc KTM and go mad.

I'll admit I can't fix it at the side of the road, that's OK with me as I don't want to anyway. No, I'm not a purist and while I respect other people who would prefer a steam-powered GS arrives in the future, I do wish they wouldn't have a pop at a bike where the purchase decision is voluntary. You may just as well have a go at any bike as every bike has compromises to fit the demands of service, emissions, regulations and what marketing think will sell.

The Range Rover Sport sells well based on people who don't go off-road. The GS sells well and will continue with the new variant. Get over it.

 

[cookie]

It's not an off-road bike in a purist sense. I don't get why people expect that. The bike is equivalent to buying a high-end 4x4. While these cars are capable off-road, they won't beat a Landrover Defender in the right hands.

I have mine for the blend of a very capable road bike I can enjoy long miles on and enjoy good performance in better comfort. I can also stash all my gear and tour without compromise really. If I hit some rougher parts along the way I can handle that as well hopefully. Most of the time, if I'm carrying panniers and luggage and so on, my ideal isn't to find some beaten dirt track and scare the sheep. If I wanted to green lane, I'd buy a 250 or 400cc KTM and go mad.

I'll admit I can't fix it at the side of the road, that's OK with me as I don't want to anyway. No, I'm not a purist and while I respect other people who would prefer a steam-powered GS arrives in the future, I do wish they wouldn't have a pop at a bike where the purchase decision is voluntary. You may just as well have a go at any bike as every bike has compromises to fit the demands of service, emissions, regulations and what marketing think will sell.

The Range Rover Sport sells well based on people who don't go off-road. The GS sells well and will continue with the new variant. Get over it.

that's pretty much bang on IMO.