Is ABS a dealbreaker on this one?

[Time Traveller]

And another thing...... sod being stuck down the pub with most of the posters in this thread. I'd lose the will to live.

yeah. Me too.



JayC - I will certainly concede that 100% concentration is an impossibility, I remember being at a pup with some bloke that was saying that he suddenly realised he'd missed his junction, and that everyone drifts off sometimes blah blah. I was really meaning that.


And as for IAM/RoSPA twats that "hold their line"...just cos they passed "advanced" tests doesn't mean that they are still doing right - I've ridden with plenty that I think are fuckwits, and plenty others that haven't done any "advanced" stuff and are real naturals. Experience and intuition winning the day. So I do understand the distain for RoSPA / IAM ... I only mention it because if it is done right (eg giving up the best viewing position for safety) it is a good (but not the only) methodology for riding and driving...I mean lets face it, the police traffic boys are pretty good riders - its the same system that they use*...oh and they come a cropper too sometimes...and they know it.

*(I think IAM have a watered down version now...not allowing to cross lines etc)



I still hate ABS BTW

 

[JayC]

The best riders, ride with 'instinct', they are at one with the bike and I don't think this can be taught. Riding with instinct can help you out no end and you should flow with the bike, not against it


Here's a vid of being in total control of a bike, whilst sliding

Some of you will say, it's on a track, it's not real, it's not the road, there are no obstacles.................sure it isn't...............but I bet you, that in a crisis braking situation on the road then one of these guys would be able to control his bike and not crash

These guys are riding with instinct......................the bike moves and they move even before the bike moves - that's instinct

Most road riders sit there like a 'bag of spuds', just cruising along and then a crisis comes along and they think.................huh, what happened? - as they pick themselves up and dust themselves down

Would I be right that you are not quoting words from a webpage? If that is the case then would I also be right in thinking that you consider yourself an 'instinctive' rider, which in turn would make you one of the 'best riders'? Impressive!

The track guys are taught how to slide into the corners , it is not instinctive. Very little in life is instinctive, much in life is taught/learnt.

The movement of their body is to unsettle the bike into a manipulated position in order to tackle a sequence of pre-planned circumstances at speed. They are trained to do this and trained how to correct the bike afterwards. You cannot do this on the road at these extreme angles of lean and then suddenly pick the bike up at a continually decreasing speed.

Look at how much road and time is covered in the complete manoeuvre on that vid and tell me that no incident on the roads can happen in a fraction of that time.

ABS wasn't designed for the racing track , it is for mere mortals that face everyday road conditions.

I can show you vids of riders jumping cars and climbing vertical walls on their bikes and stuntmen putting the bike into a slide to go beneath an articulated truck and come out the otherside, but can you do that stuff?

No, neither can I!

 

[JayC]

And another thing...... sod being stuck down the pub with most of the posters in this thread. I'd lose the will to live.

...and yet you have the will to read it all!

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Would I be right that you are not quoting words from a webpage? If that is the case then would I also be right in thinking that you consider yourself an 'instinctive' rider, which in turn would make you one of the 'best riders'? Impressive!

The track guys are taught how to slide into the corners , it is not instinctive. Very little in life is instinctive, much in life is taught/learnt.

The movement of their body is to unsettle the bike into a manipulated position in order to tackle a sequence of pre-planned circumstances at speed. They are trained to do this and trained how to correct the bike afterwards. You cannot do this on the road at these extreme angles of lean and then suddenly pick the bike up at a continually decreasing speed.

Look at how much road and time is covered in the complete manoeuvre on that vid and tell me that no incident on the roads can happen in a fraction of that time.

ABS wasn't designed for the racing track , it is for mere mortals that face everyday road conditions.

I can show you vids of riders jumping cars and climbing vertical walls on their bikes and stuntmen putting the bike into a slide to go beneath an articulated truck and come out the otherside, but can you do that stuff?

No, neither can I!

Never mind, you missed the point - I quoted an extreme example in my words and vid

I'm definitely not a 'best rider', as you quote - just pretty average in reality, however I do have a 'toolbox' of learnt/acquired skills from many biking disciplines, that have helped me in a crisis on the road - in a panic situation, that's all and I was trying to demonstrate all is not lost when you fear it is and many road riders bail out/go down/brake mid corner and stand the bike up.........long before, all is lost

Do a track day, if you want to really see how much you can achieve on your bike, before all is lost

 

[JayC]

Do a track day, if you want to really see how much you can achieve on your bike, before all is lost

Eh?

 

[Paul S]

Seven pages on the benefits or otherwise of ABS - I think some folks need to get out more

 

[Time Traveller]

yeah. I'm in the office. What's everybody else's excuse???

 

[cookie]

You can't see the speed of approach because it is stopped and wanting to pull out. It is a 90 degree junction and the driver hasn't made his mind up yet whether he is going to stop after noticing you and his front end 6 feet into your path or whether to continue and cross the centre line thereby making your escape plan B non-effective. He also has a caravan in tow!

Bikes don't stop in 30 feet at either 50 ,40 or even 30mph. Some other means of avoidance needs to be initiated.

You haven't seen the kid, he is on his own and is 6yrs old. He wanders out into your path between two closely parked Land Rover Discovery Commercials (no side glass.

you make it all sound so difficult. it's a wonder i'm still alive.

 

[Steptoe]

...and yet you have the will to read it all!

Well, if i didn't read it all i'd not be able to form an opinion to make my statement. .

If i'd known beforehand what was posted i'd not have bothered.

 

[JayC]

Well, if i didn't read it all i'd not be able to form an opinion to make my statement. .

If i'd known beforehand what was posted i'd not have bothered.

Indeedy but you're STILL reading!