Is this normal !

[DING-DONG]

Dave, every third to second to the occasional first for a hairpin was like a church door bolt during a funeral feck me it was bad. All very strange ....
If I was looking for a commuting bike in to and around London, the wc would not even make my top 20!

Giles, you need to change your technique tis not right her majesty's finest and you cannot change gear correctly

Ps BMW will not tolerate this, where's PISTOLE

 

[tecman]

I've not done anything yet, as I'm away for a couple days, I've got plenty to think about .

we shall find out about XR next weekend in Milan! It might be "our" next bike Dave

 

[Engineer]

I didn't make any reliability claims after a test ride.

The reliability and quality claims have come from the members of this and other forums.

The bike is poorly built and unreliable. It is not "unstoppable" and it is not round the world capable. It's an out of warranty time bomb

Again utter rubbish with no verifiable evidence, just hearsay which is contrary to the facts.

 

[Nutty]

Well, this guy seems happy with his GS, as am I !
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1020507

Don't you come on here posting links to people that are happy with their GS.

 

[DING-DONG]

it is not round the world capable. It's an out of warranty time bomb

Come on Engineer you no this part is true, unless its towed on the back of a trailer, and to own out of warranty you'd be crazy.

I was told today the engine alone is £7600'ish and that's not fitted.

 

[DING-DONG]

Don't you come on here posting links to people that are happy with their GS.

No fook off, you make me depressed ....

 

[rattler]

He who speaks ill of BMW should be censored

Delete the posts and pretend all is well

Oh dear brings a whole new meaning to TOSSER

 

[tecman]

I remember one day in the Alps though, with her indoors and all the luggage, where we were climbing on a particularly hair pinny road. Not sure why (heat again I guess) but every third to second to the occasional first for a hairpin was like a church door bolt during a funeral feck me it was bad.

As bad as this? This happened to me when I was shifting from 3rd to 2nd to 1st, but 1st jumped out and I pulled clutch again to get it back. I had on that particular trip plenty of problems with 1st gear jumping out to Neutral when I was approaching hairpins and had 2 occasions when it came back up to 2nd, while I was in the corner.

I also noticed that harshest downshifts I had were always downhill when approaching tight bends. I'm pretty sure it must be related to deaccelerating momentum in gearbox caused by aggressive engine braking while shifting down the box and excessive clutch drag, which could be related to more oil flooding clutch chamber (slope gradient).

 

[johnfoxllb]

As bad as this? This happened to me when I was shifting from 3rd to 2nd to 1st, but 1st jumped out and I pulled clutch again to get it back. I had on that particular trip plenty of problems with 1st gear jumping out to Neutral when I was approaching hairpins and had 2 occasions when it came back up to 2nd, while I was in the corner.

I also noticed that harshest downshifts I had were always downhill when approaching tight bends. I'm pretty sure it must be related to deaccelerating momentum in gearbox caused by aggressive engine braking while shifting down the box and excessive clutch drag, which could be related to more oil flooding clutch chamber (slope gradient).

Someone will be along shortly to tell you that you don't know how to ride a motorcycle/ change gear correctly

 

[tecman]

I am fully aware!

 

[Engineer]

I am fully aware!

Blip on down changes and it won't happen, how many times do I have to say this!!!!!! There are videos of the 1150 doing just the same from years ago - don't people ever effing learn!!!!! I guess not!!!!!!

 

[cookie]

You could set your watch by it

 

[tecman]

trust me. I do and I did on that trip. I blipped on 3-2 and 1, then 1 jumped out so I tried to put it back in again and that caused clonk.

I've been riding couple of different bikes in last 5 years, but none of them required changing technique when downshifting.
GS LC is first bike which forced to learn blipping on the throttle, as otherwise I wouldn't be able to put up with its clunkiness. My previous bike - s1kRR under same conditions would not clunk when shifting down the box or miss gears so often compared to my 2013 LC.

Since that video, I had my gearbox replaced and it shows good signs so far, but I didn't have chance yet to stress it in environment like the one on posted video.

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

I reckon Engineer is one of those Internet Bot things; it scourers the web for certain key words (BMW, clutch, gearbox, WC etc) and then fires out an automated reply using other key words programmed into it (I'm perfect, blip, no problem, best ever, I'm not listening, la la la etc)

Andres

 

[tecman]

and on that trip I was on 2nd set of redesigned clutch and pushrod, which definitely affected the number of missed gears as compared to original clutch.

 

[Giles]

Heh heh ...
Engineer ... Trust me ... Trust me my friend, I've done more bike courses, training, refresher courses, off road courses, instructors courses, teaching ... than you've had hot dinners! My life since I was about 21 .....my career ..... has been motorbikes.
The gearbox / clutch on the wc GS is not very good.

I do accept, that there is a strong element of 'learn a bike' in any machine. I accept that. And to a degree, I will ride different bikes ... errrrr .... differently sometimes, just like I do with cars - learning those little idiosyncrasies that one machine responds well to.
But .... But ... .... the wc gearbox / clutch is still a pile of poo.

 

[tecman]

and 1190R I rode 2 weeks ago had sweet gearbox!

 

[stevemersey]

Giles,
I think you summed it up in an earlier post by saying you would not choose a WC for commuting. I work just a few miles from home and would often take the twin cam to work because it made be smile before the top of the road with it's big farty exhaust note and it's puppy dog springing. The new WC is way better when I get out of town, but not half so much fun in stop start conditions and I hardly ever feel tempted to get it out to ride just a few miles. Part of that is the clucth/gearbox which is in my case is more than fit for purpose but far from slick but I also think the dynamic esa produces a flat and boring ride at lower speeds, even though it is amazingly competent at illegal speeds.

Engineer,

Your bike may be different, mine produces great gear changes most of the time, but it is unpredictable and will throw in the odd heavy clunk just when I think I have the technique mastered. I don't think clutch drag is the problem, if it was why does using a little squeeze of the lever tend to produce better changes than squeezing all the way and why is the quietest change of the day the first one when cold?

For all that, it is a great bike in so many ways.

 

[tecman]

and why is the quietest change of the day the first one when cold?

Same here!
Since new box in my GS, start in the morning and getting into first gear is very gentle (like cussioned) and almost silent. First few minutes of ride are the best, then it only gets noisier/clunkier, but generally blipping does help (as Engineer stated), but I still get odd wird one at least once a day.

 

[Engineer]

Heh heh ...
Engineer ... Trust me ... Trust me my friend, I've done more bike courses, training, refresher courses, off road courses, instructors courses, teaching ... than you've had hot dinners! My life since I was about 21 .....my career ..... has been motorbikes.
The gearbox / clutch on the wc GS is not very good.

I do accept, that there is a strong element of 'learn a bike' in any machine. I accept that. And to a degree, I will ride different bikes ... errrrr .... differently sometimes, just like I do with cars - learning those little idiosyncrasies that one machine responds well to.
But .... But ... .... the wc gearbox / clutch is still a pile of poo.

How can it be a pile of pooh if all it takes is a little adaption to its quirks in order to get good smooth changes? There is nothing more than a little clutch drag and once you learn how to adjust to this then there is no problem - it seems as if there a number of people who just incapable of learning to adjust - and I suspect that those people have difficulty with many things in life

Having said all that I accept that there will be some genuinely duff bikes as there is with any manufactured item BUT I reckon those genuine ones are few in comparison to the large number sold.

I also cannot understand why people keep whinging about their 'faulty' bikes - if the dealer/BMW cannot be convinced that your bike is genuinely faulty then pay for an independent expert to assess it and if it is genuinely faulty or not as good as one should reasonably expect it to be then I am sure that you will win the argument and get a satisfactory resolution.