I've rejected my bike can anyone recommend a good solicitor .

[Goose]

WTF has Kevin Ash got to do with it? No one knows what the cause of that accident was yet, so don't be a dick and assume that you can deduce the answer from the spec of next years model.

I would also add that the vast majority of motorcycle accidents where no other vehicle is involved (and there are plenty of those every Summer) are the fault of the rider - so the competence of motorcyclists leads a lot to be desired.

The fact that I have a problem with you generalising and insulting riders that "might" have problems with bikes and querying their competence - NOW gives you the right to insult me?

FFS - seems we're back in the school yard again hey? I realy assumed this forum was for grown-up that share information to resolve issues and problems - not stoop to insulting remarks and comments

 

[RedRick Esq.]

The fact that I have a problem with you generalising and insulting riders that "might" have problems with bikes and querying their competence - NOW gives you the right to insult me?

FFS - seems we're back in the school yard again hey? I realy assumed this forum was for grown-up that share information to resolve issues and problems - not stoop to insulting remarks and comments

Grown Ups !!
On here
Please ......

 

[Engineer]

Grown Ups !!
On here
Please ......

 

[Stonker]

Given that you created a written contract when you signed the order, what you said to the dealer would not matter unless you added it to the order terms and conditions prior to signing.

Are you sure? If the order was placed on the agreement of luggage to follow by a certain date, I thought this constituted an 'implied condition of contract'

 

[Bails]

Perhaps you may have a claim against a dealer but not BMW, unless it can be implied that they act as agents , which I would think would be denied by BMW due to the legal implications.

 

[Jumblemo]

The fact that I have a problem with you generalising and insulting riders that "might" have problems with bikes and querying their competence - NOW gives you the right to insult me?

FFS - seems we're back in the school yard again hey? I realy assumed this forum was for grown-up that share information to resolve issues and problems - not stoop to insulting remarks and comments

Anyone know where there is an similar forum for GS owners that is as potentially as useful as this one but without the constant aggro between old and new model owners? It's getting old now.

 

[stubox]

Anyone know where there is an similar forum for GS owners that is as potentially as useful as this one but without the constant aggro between old and new model owners? It's getting old now.

Oh we've at least got until the GSA version comes out. Now is fine as they can sit out in their bath chairs and enjoy the sun. Its the winter that worries me.....

 

[stick]

well, well - I linked this post with a warning to my Saffer friends..... and needless to say the "expected" poo-pooing happened with people that are so brand-loyal that they refused to believe there could possibly be anything wrong with the design of the new GS......


but patience and reward comes to those that wait!

......... this morning I noticed one of the stalwards of our DS rider clan in SA posting this:

I have picked up a problem with my steering on what feels like a serious instability or headshake what every you want to call it. Try the following, close your throttle on about 80km/h and hold your handle bars very lightly. My LC develops a serious headshake that quickly becomes a Tankslapper, personally this could not be normal?
Have done a long trip over the weekend and had lots of time to play around with all possible mode settings and tyre pressure and nothing made any difference to the issue. All that I think that it could be is a tyre problem. I have the Tourance tyres on the bike with about 2400km on .

Anybody else experience this?

just feedback for your case............

Yes had the same problem on our recent trip to Italy all of the above.
Had the front tyre changed at BMW Chur Swissland after 700 miles as the mechanic said it as no good , but our language diffrences made it difficult to chat.
No better even after a new tyre and balance , the mechanic suggested the bike was overloaded but we were careful before we left to ensure that we were not overloaded and load was balanced , the top box only had waterproofs in and a few odds and sods) My view on load after seeing other bikes GS's two up loaded was that my load was less as I am not big and nor is the wife , there were , dare I say , much larger loads about ......
Pity that the next 1800 miles had the shakes and vibes ,,,,now at bmw ,,,,and don't mention the gearbox.

 

[stick]

Agreed - or bike overloaded, tyre pressures incorrect etc, etc - it is amazing how incompetent some perfectly normal people are when it comes to things mechanical, it never ceases to amaze me just how weird some peoples' minds are - some people really do not have much of a clue and shouldn't be allowed near a motorcycle.

Try ridding mine as the wobble was horrible ...... I am not incompetent as have been building , racing and riding bikes now for over 30 years.
I have big tank slappers on tracks and paid the price , but this on a road bike two up at 50 mph .....kind of makes me worry .....and yes I do check loads and pressures as this is a pre ride normality

 

[jonnyp]

Serious question Stick. What mode were you riding in??

Apart from Enduro mode, the front seems to hard to me and thus has the tendency to feel just a little unstable.

 

[stick]

Serious question Stick. What mode were you riding in??

Apart from Enduro mode, the front seems to hard to me and thus has the tendency to feel just a little unstable.

Road , dynamic with different sets to the damping , tried them all and no difference , hopefully BMW are now fitting a diff end set of loan wheels to the bike to see if this helps , plus they will be checking the rim runout .
All this seems to have happened once the Torrance next tyres were fitted , before had contis on and no issues .. Will let you know the results , but more concerned about the gear box .... Great bike tho. Sorry bout spelling but lost glasses

 

[jonnyp]

Thanks for that, not a great fan of the Next's I'll go with Conti's when the time comes.

Hope you get a fix soon..

Go on.... What's up with the gear box... Not you as well??

 

[DING-DONG]

I met a nice fella on a trip to Austria the other week spent 9 days with em and he told me he had returned a wc to BMW due to the same problem as stick. Rejected the bike after 1700 miles they had changed the tyres and problem still there and in the end he asked for a full refund and was given exactly that.

 

[johnfoxllb]

Is it going to be the case that the first generation of WC bikes will be shunned by secondhand buyers in favour of revised 2014MY bikes? Why would potential purchasers take a risk with all these defects surfacing?

 

[Nutty]

Is it going to be the case that the first generation of WC bikes will be shunned by secondhand buyers in favour of revised 2014MY bikes? Why would potential purchasers take a risk with all these defects surfacing?

I doubt it, as any issues will be fixed under warranty, so come resale time, any bikes with issues should be sorted.

 

[DING-DONG]

I doubt it, as any issues will be fixed under warranty, so come resale time, any bikes with issues should be sorted.

Do you think we will get the steering damper foc than ! Or will it cost us !

 

[Nutty]

Do you think we will get the steering damper foc than ! Or will it cost us !

Good question. I doubt it will be free, unless BMW admit that the bikes really do need one to improve safety, and that they aren't fitting them to MY14 bikes as a matter of course.

 

[Deleted account 181015003]

Rider weight can make a big difference in bike stability.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvsDIq3WwVA

 

[freelancer2011]

You know, I've been a bit nosey just perusing this section to see how the new models are doing. Some of you may know me from the 650 side of the forums but may I say (yet again), you're all a bunch of very nice peeps and I'm glad I'm a part of this community :O) -With the sound advice, care and blunt honest advice (for and against).

 

[Packer]

I look in here at the WC section from time to time as I would like to move up from my faithful 1150 but won't do it until some of these issues on the WC are sorted. This isn't intended as just a jousting session.

So, we are told that some rear sub-frames are out of tolerance and this results in the need for spacers to permit the fitment of the Vario panniers designed for the bike. For me that would be a major concern until I was convinced that the pannier alignment issue was the only issue likely to arise from a non-spec. sub-frame.

We are also told that some bikes have variable instability on the over-run and that this can escalate into a tankslapper. Is it possible that the build accuracy of the mainframe is just as variable as that of the rear sub-frame and potentially the cause of this instability? In fact just how small a variance in the frame would it take to transform a "stable as a train on rails" into a flighty head shaker?

My experience of tankslappers is fortunately limited to just one, a violent stop to stop event whilst flat out on a BSA Starfire in 1973. I managed to ride through it and most certainly do not want to experience another one, particularly on a bike that is 50% heavier than the old Beezer (307lbs dry if I remember correctly).

Standard fitment of a steering damper for MY 2014 WC's suggests reacting to the symptoms instead of addressing the cause.