K1600GT vs R1200GSA LC

tanneman

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Referring to my previous thread about the K16 I foolishly opted to take a GSA LC out for a test ride this past Saturday. I have yet to make the decision of buying a second bike for touring duties. A friend went with me on his GS. The weather was not the best, wind and rain, together with some muddy roads would make a good test of how I get on with the bike. First thing I notice is the new button layout. Pushed a few to get the preferred settings and off we go. Within a few feet I was in familiar territory having owned a GSA hexhead before. Everything fell to place and the riding came instinctive. The throttle is a bit sharper, the suspension really good. As we made our way on the narrow lanes of Northern Northamptonshire and on to Stoney Stanton I feel confident to place the bike where I want it to go and could ride it fairly relaxed. Opening the throttle gave it a good burst of acceleration even if it was in rain mode. Only the worst of bumps and holes were noticed with the suspension in comfort. The GSA has a really good lock to lock movement of the handlebars and one reason I liked my previous one is the easy maneuver in tight spaces and no problem doing u-turns with the bars on full lock. The bike doesn't feel heavier than the old one to my memory and is easily pushed around by hand. Overall it has many good points, good pickup on the throttle to make overtaking easier. However there is a feel to the engine I can only describe as having an artificial smoothness, you can feel it through the frame and handlebars, like on a constant throttle the vibrations comes and goes. Wind protection is good but not as good as the old bike I remember. Heated grips are warmer on this model and the seat is one of the better improvements being narrower at the front to get a foot down.

Next up is the K1600GT. I wont be going the same route as the GSA but opted for a few unknown roads nearby. This will show how easily I get on with it. Having ridden this bike before I feel confident to chuck it about in the dry. I don't want to scratch the panniers so throwing a leg over the bike requires more effort than on the GSA. Lifting the bike upright I thought what have I done. This thing weighs a ton. The menu is a whole lot more complex but figured it out after a while to get the settings I want. Both bikes will be in rain mode and comfort suspension settings. Heated grips on. I took off and it did feel a bit unwieldy until I'm out of the car park. As always this bike is super smooth with lots of torque. I set a relaxed pace but on the narrow lanes it sapped a bit of confidence in the bends, being wet and muddy with oncoming traffic. It took me a while to get accustomed to the feel of the bike by which time the roads were dryer as it didn't rain so bad in Bedfordshire. I stick the bike in 6th gear and let the powerful motor do the work. It is ok for overtaking but if the space for overtaking is a bit short a few clicks down the box and this thing turns from lap dog into a snarling angry guard dog. On the A421 it makes the most of the acceleration. Here at speed I can feel the back pressure building with the wind flowing around me and cooling the back of my neck. The windscreen is not the best as that V-shape lets the air hit the top vent of my helmet. Just for the record I'm 5'10'' riding with my Shoei Neotec. The radio is next to useless at speed but not too bad in town. I guess with earplugs in you'll have to broadcast a bit to hear anything. I ended up in a narrow dead end road having to do a u-turn. I managed it feet up over a muddy passing place with the handle bars on lock. I'm impressed. That 6th gear, whilst good for any speed it is useless to maintain 30mph downhill so a few clicks down the box makes town riding easier if you find yourself going downhill. The bike is very relaxed when ridden as such on smoothish roads with a fantastic sounding engine. I like it.

Both bikes had the full package of options fitted bar the SatNav. In terms of spec there is little to choose unless you really have to have heated seats, radio and keyless ignition as fitted to the dealer bike (it is an option on both models). Both of these machines are utterly good at what it does. For the roads that I like to ride and all else that needs to be done the GSA will fit the bill every time. It has got the range, long travel suspension, good visibility, decent wind protection and is very easy to ride. The K16 on the other hand demands a more experienced rider. You need to be in front of the bike more not to be caught out. The suspension is not so plush on the bumpy tracks, it is heavy and somehow the wind protection is lacking just a little bit, mostly at speed. The gearbox requires a more positive shift than the GSA but gone are the clunkyness of the older models. However, the GSA will just be it. A tall long range easy to ride bike that when fitted with all the trimmings will take you anywhere in Europe with the missus on the back. The K16 on the other hand will do all this but may feel a bit more restricted by poorer road surfaces. I did find myself going faster on the GSA than the K16 but given time with the K16 I guess the familiarity with the bike it won't be an issue. It can be a bike with 2 personalities, commuting and touring on it and when the time comes you can hunt down the plastic rockets. Then there is the price. If you are after a bargain then a 2 year old K16 makes a lot of sense. It has got the new design gearbox, luggage is standard, some are fitted with radio and mostly all are the SE spec. SatNav is incorporated into the dash, it has got the range and a lot of electricitry to keep you entertained. All this for between 13 to 14K. Compare that to a year old GSA and you'll have to add luggage, maybe a mudsling and the spend can come to almost 16K. Brand new there is not much between them when spec is roughly the same. Add to the fact that the boxer will hold its value better, is cheaper to service and buy tires for and on paper it wins hands down. But that inline 6 gives me thought. Should I follow the herd and be safe in making a good choice or should I go for what I feel?
 
If it's for touring duties, why not try the RT?

The K is good for 2 up touring but could be over-kill if you ride solo.

The RS will be another interesting alternative.
 
. I stick the bike in 6th gear and let the powerful motor do the work.

The trick I have found for riding the 1600 is to use the gearbox.

If you leave it in 6th the torque is all you need, but the bike feels as if it's riding away from you.

Change right down (3rd or even 2nd for many A road bends) and drive through. Get the mounting acceleration (ooh matron!) through the rear tyre and she feels as if on rails. I've gained much more confidence and despite the 6 cylinders, you get more engine braking with lower gears so you can do the ROSPA trick of riding for miles without touching the brakes.


Just my 6 pennoth........
 
Tanneman, its funny that you thought the wind protection wasn't that good as the GSA. I tried a K1600 and thought it wasn't as good as my RT overall.
Yes its got a cracking engine, but after that its no better than an RT, just a lot heavier.
 
It seems BMW is a bit lacking in the design department. The new RT look dead gorgeous from the front but the side profile leaves me cold. Considering we are talking about BMW's. Form the looks the RT is out, brilliant bike it may be but maybe a test ride wouldn't do harm. I really don't know as both bikes, K16 or GSA, will do just fine. One being better at something the other is not so good at and vice versa. To scratch an itch I will have a look at the KTM. The only good thing of not being able to make your mind up is that no money is being spend in this case.

The wind protection on the old GSA was good enough to only get wet on the bicep/upper arm area. The new one I can feel the wind on the shoulders. The GT punches a big hole in the atmosphere but behind the screen it is not so plain. I can feel the wind on the arms and shoulders, and then that V in the screen which diverts the air to the top of the helmet. I have played around with the screen position before and there is like a middle ground that can be reached. Too high and the wind eddy's around and pushes from the back with a low pressure in front of you sucking you forward. Too low and you are on a CBR1000. For rural A & B road riding the screen was set ok for me. Strange that we want an electrically infinitely adjustable screen but leave it in one position. If you add a large top box then that changes the way the air moves over the bike, if the pillion is with you then it is much better but the missus did say before that the wind gets her on the shoulders but not that it would bother her too much unless it is a very cold day. What I don't want is a total lack of air flow for when it is warm. I'm aware of the little flick out air scoops.

For what it is worth I have come to the conclusion that if you are going to test a bike it is better to test it in crappy weather and conditions. That way the shortcomings or brilliance of the bike comes forth and it highlights how easily you'll get on with the bike. The normal GS just turned me into a hooligan slipping and sliding in Milton Keynes :D about a year ago.
 
The K16 does take a bit of getting used to, took me about 600 miles before I felt confident in mine, now I wouldnt ride anything else.

Swap the standard screen for the v stream and it transforms the wind management no back pressure or turbulence.
 
Not a great pic but you can see the difference in the shape, tinted gt screen on top and vstream underneath. vstream is wider at the top and oddly enough lower in other areas but it does a far better job of managing the wind-flow in my opinion.quieter as well by a substantial amount, visor up at 80mph no probs. It seems better shaped to push the airflow around the rider.
 

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I've got the GTL which does not have the V. I ride with the visor up unless its raining.

As a solo rider I get the backdraft which I can live with. It's the pillion who suffers more. Does the V improve this?
 
Not had any complaints from the other half after 5000 miles so far on pillion. ;) and she would soon let me know! Not sure where you are but your wellcome to try mine for a test ride only takes a few mins to swap over.
 
When updating my K1300S, I tried the 1600GT, GS and RT. I bought a 2013 (New) RT 90th edition with all the goodies. It was mainly bought as my wife claimed it was the most comfortable bike of the lot. As far as the ride was concerned my preference was the K1600GT, even though the price made me wince. The 1200GS was not really what I wanted as I have an F800GS which is my daily ride.

I put up with the RT for 12 months and 6000 miles, but it had to go. It was hard work compared with my previous bikes, fantastic on motorways but crap in the twisties.

After much research and several test rides I swapped it for a Ducati MTS1200GT, awesome machine. You can criticise Ducati as much as you like but it has had no recalls or issues. I wanted to like the RT, but its was just not me and life is too short to put up with something you don't like, no matter how good everyone else thinks it is.

If we wanted an out and out tourer I would be tempted to try the Water Cooled engine, but somehow I don't think I would buy another.

Good luck with whatever you go with.
 
I'm just about to change my 2012 K1600GT SE to a 2010 R1200GS.
I bought the GT last May and have clocked up 9k miles since. It is an awesome bike, although the gearbox/transmission does take a bit off getting used to.
However, it is a seriously heavy bike. As one person remarked on a forum. It's not if it falls over, but when.
If you do go for one, get engine bars immediately. Have read of crankcase being damaged on a simple fall over.
The noise of the GT exhaust can make you do silly things, too. Amazing handling from such a large bike.
I'm a bit short in the leg at 29" and get my bus pass next year so, while I enjoyed it, it's a case of been there, done that.
This may sound a bit strange but the first thing you notice when you get one is that you become invisible.
I've been riding K100 bricks for quite a few years and would always nod or wave to other bikes and usually get a response. Except from Harleys.
On the K1600, nothing. They just looked straight through me. I think other motorcyclists have a strange attitude towards them.
I have parked up in a car park near other bikes and riders. No response. Come back from a pee and they're huddled around it.
It's very strange.
I still have an old K100 and enjoy the contact and meet ups with others from the K100 forum. This was one of the things that has drawn me to a GS. There seems to be a very strong camaraderie among other GS owners as this forum would appear to prove.
Maybe it's a bit like having a Gold Wing. They only seem to travel with other Gold Wings.
Just an observation of mine.
 
Referring to my previous thread about the K16 I ..............................................************************snipped to get to the only point that matters***********************................................ Should I follow the herd and be safe in making a good choice or should I go for what I feel?


You should go for the one that your heart tells you to.....don't over-analyse it

You're not after a bike for a specific, restricted purpose like for example a short commute in a city, so go for the one that you think you'd get off, walk away from and look proudly back over your shoulder at the most.....the one that would give you the most smiles, that would make you WANT to go out 'just for a ride'.
End of :beerjug:
 
Been out for a ride today past Haverhill, Bury St Edmund, Mildenhall and back on the R1100S. Good bike but the bumps in the road gets you after a while. For the smoother roads the K16 would do but as I like the back roads and exploring new territories the GSA is best suited. It is also the bike that made me forget about the 11S. I can live with it and I loved the old one so I think the new GSA is gonna be the one.

Cheers Fanum. The GSA is the choice. It is just so effortless to ride and a handsome ugly machine. Now I just have to wait for the right one to come along.

Columbus, I don't think you get a smaller lid than what is currently on offer. It is standard issue nowadays. I know you did get city lids, touring and full fat which you could swap on the old oil heads boxers.
 
Columbus, I don't think you get a smaller lid than what is currently on offer. It is standard issue nowadays. I know you did get city lids, touring and full fat which you could swap on the old oil heads boxers.

thanks. I thought i'd ask as i couldn't find anything on the web
 


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