KTM 1190 Adventure demo ride

Davy F

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It's going to be difficult to write my thoughts on the newly released KTM 1190 Adventure without getting carried away because of the performance that their revised LC8 V twin engine has on tap, so I'll get the engine part out of the way first and try to keep an objective mind in place. So here goes................this engine ROCKS !!!!!

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I have never ridden a V twin that is so smooth as KTM's offering. OK, it can be made to feel a bit lumpy if you try, but used correctly it is amazingly vibe free and in the 112 miles I put on the odometer, I suffered no tingles in my hands or feet. And the power, ohhhh the power !! I can't remember Ducati's MultiStrada being so manic when the throttle was twisted open. Maybe I've forgotten just how quick their engine is, but the KTM's is like having the throttle of a superbike attached to the long legs of an Adventure bike. But unlike the MultiStrada, the KTM is smooth enough to do slow as well and I was able to ride in sixth gear comfortably down to 35 mph without the snatchiness that V twins are prone too. Top gear overtakes from around 45 mph did induce some vibratory character if the throttle was wacked open, but in reality, I was trying out as much as I could on the bike in the time available and when I went for overtakes sitting in say forth, the bike simply lifted its skirts and headed for warp 9 unbelievably fast and smooth. But having 150 horsepower at hand I guess is the reason this bike is so relentless and the speed you can call upon at any given moment is intoxicating. I played about with the power modes, which is easily done from the simple switch on the left handlebar and it is very noticeable when doing so, especially when taking the bike away from the tarmac. 100 hp is still a lot on the dirt, but I can vouch for the option to neuter the power to the rear wheel on the rough stuff as I did several miles off road. The traction control also played its part in these conditions and you can tell that the boffins at KTM have thought carefully about how this bike will potentially be used.

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All this power would be pretty useless in a chassis that couldn't cope and KTM have done an excellent job in that department also. The handling is brilliant and not once did I feel that the chassis couldn't keep up with all that the engine could throw at it. The demo bike came with the electronic suspension wizardry which seems to be the norm on these high end motorcycles these days and again, it was nice to use what is available and actually find that it does make a difference. In Sport mode, the bike can hustle along on good roads in indecent haste and truthfully, I can say it gave me so much confidence that I started to think that this bike is uncrashable. I know, that's probably a stupid statement, but the feedback offered from the White Power suspension is amazing. The big Katoom is so flickable that it's hard to think that this bike has long travel suspension and a 19" front wheel. Heck, when I got back onto my Versys, a bike renowned for its sharp handling, it felt positively lethargic compared to the KTM. Considering the size and extra weight of the KTM, this feat is quite outstanding. Street mode is obviously the compromise option and Comfort was good in taking the worst out of the poorly surfaced roads that I ride on daily. It's not GoldWing levels of plushness as it still communicates what's going on underneath you, but it is good enough to take the nasty ripples and washboard annoyances away while allowing you to make good progress if desired. I was of a mindset that I wouldn't need this modern electro gadgetry, but I now think that if it is offered, it would be silly not to tick that part of the options list. The brakes also need no superlatives heaped on them as they are simply top notch items fitted to stop the bike in a hurry if needed with loads of feel. Also the gearbox was a revelation, especially when you think how poor the early KTM RC8 gearbox's were. Buttery changes were the order of the day without one missed gear and snicking into first was a mostly silent affair.

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The ergos of the KTM certainly suited me (I'm 5' 11") and I could easily get both feet on the ground. After my 112 miles, I had no aches or pains, except in my butt as I found the seat to be too hard for my boney bum. But suffice to say, that's a problem I seem to suffer with on the vast majority of bikes, but I would like to try their comfort seat for comparison. The windshield seemed to be set at it's tallest position and provided me with good wind protection for my Arai TourX. It was very effective up to XXX miles per hour and I didn't bother trying out different positions as it was fine as it was. I know some make a big deal of the easy adjustability of the new BMW 12GS's or Tiger 1200's screens, but personally, once set to how you like it, that feature is virtually redundant. And it's the little features on various bikes that seem to make a difference to how others perceive a rival manufacturers machine, like the switchgear on the handlebars not matching or something equally trivial. Believe me, when you're riding something this good, those little things pale into insignificance. But as the old saying goes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I'll be the first to say that the KTM isn't the nicest looking Adventure bike available and that award probably goes to the Ducati MultiStrada (especially their Pikes Peak edition). But then, if we all bought these bikes for their aesthetic qualities, BMW wouldn't have the success of the GS on their hands either. Maybe it would be best to describe the KTM as functionally beautiful and the sum of all its parts make one hell of a motorcycle. The fit and finish of the 1190 is right up there and going on how many of their 950/990 Adventures have kept their looks, there's no reason to doubt that the 1190 isn't more of the same.

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Overall, this is one heck of a motorcycle. The toys is has available seem to be all worthwhile while the riding experience is nothing short of amazing and it is hard not to get swept away with the available performance. But when that performance is tied together with a beautiful chassis and the feeling of go anywhere anytime, you end up with a very accomplished machine.
 
Cheers that was a v-interesting report and yet another nail in the coffin of my GS. :thumby:

Mmmmm.......similar thoughts here.

I've been trying to sort a day off work for a few weeks now so I can go out and test ride one, today was another day I should have been out on one but I had to cancel yet again (and it's a beautiful sunny day) :(

My problem is I know I'll want one yet I can't afford one......................

I actually quite like the look of them but what is that horrendous piece of light grey plastic either side of the front cylinder head :eek: I'd never noticed that before but it really stands out on the pictures here.

Davy F, what were you quoted and for what options?

Andres
 
Good report.

My feelings exactly when I tested one a while back.

It is far quicker than even the Multistrada so god knows how it feels after a Waitrose Courier GS !!!!

BUT I was amazed at how smooth and tractable the motor is,much more so than when I had an RC8.And,as you say,the handling is amazing.

I don't like the look of the standard 1190 but would have an 1190R tomorrow if I had the cash.
 
I actually quite like the look of them but what is that horrendous piece of light grey plastic either side of the front cylinder head :eek: I'd never noticed that before but it really stands out on the pictures here.

Andres

thats the highly protective super strong plastic crash bar, so strong it flexes with slight pressure from my finger
 
Nice report.:thumb I'll still never buy one though:P:D
 
Great write up :clap

It's a shame it looks so bloody bland.......they seem to have 100% nailed the performance, rideability, power delivery for all circumstances etc etc, but I hate to admit it, I actually prefer the looks of the Toilet to the big Katoomer.

Given the money to get either though, I'd still be leaving the GS marque right now.
 
Great write up :clap

It's a shame it looks so bloody bland.......they seem to have 100% nailed the performance, rideability, power delivery for all circumstances etc etc, but I hate to admit it, I actually prefer the looks of the Toilet to the big Katoomer.

Given the money to get either though, I'd still be leaving the GS marque right now.

I thought that when I saw the pictures but seeing it in the flesh so to speak I changed my mind. I wonder how much better the comfort seat is though ?
 
Good report, it's good to read about all the bikes in this class. Tried a Multistrada last year and did about 150 miles on it 2-up, we would have bought one but it was 16.5K spec'ed how we wanted it:eek:

Too much, so bought another K1300r, but next time......................:nenau

Dave
 
I wonder how much better the comfort seat is though ?


I spoke to the KTM salesman yesterday and mentined that they should carry a comfort seat in stock for customers to try out should they find the stock seat too firm. He told me that they actually did, but a new owner decided he wanted it and they reluctantly sold it and the replacement hasn't come in yet. At least they are thinking along the right lines and when said seat arrives, I'll take another ride to see how the comfort seat fairs.

Given the superb comfort my Sargent seat provided on my 12GS, I'd love them to bring out their version for the 1190 as I wouldn't hesitate buying one of those. But I don't think they have KTM on their list at all.
 
Maybe a nice bike but

Reliability - everyone I speak to says unreliable.

Dealer network - shite to say the least - sell you the bike then kick out the door
 
Maybe a nice bike but

Reliability - everyone I speak to says unreliable.

Dealer network - shite to say the least - sell you the bike then kick out the door

You're having a laugh aren't you :eek

The bike's only been out a couple of hours and 'everybody you speak to' says it's unreliable :blast C'mon, hit me with it, what are the multitude of issues that everybody is talking about :nenau

Also, dunno what experiance you've had - c'mon, tell us - but my local dealer Trail Tech are one of the best dealers out there that I've had the pleasure to deal with, regardless of brand.

Andres
 
Maybe a nice bike but

Reliability - everyone I speak to says unreliable.

Dealer network - shite to say the least - sell you the bike then kick out the door
bullshit..

couple have done over 10,000 km:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=21376280&postcount=3125

1190r ridden across africa:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=20427335&postcount=142

I don't care if you, or anyone else, likes or hates the bike, I'm not a spokesman for kTm, but shite posts have to be refuted :p1zzed:
 
Maybe a nice bike but

Reliability - everyone I speak to says unreliable.

Dealer network - shite to say the least - sell you the bike then kick out the door

Have to disagree here. My KTMs (625,640,950 and 990) have been great for reliability and never let me down. However there are plenty of issues on them much like there are on the Beemers.

As to Dealer network....well I can only speak for KTM Centre in Hemel who've been great.

As to the 1190. Rode it, liked it but preferred the LC. The regular model is a tad bland, the R looks much better.

Stu
 
Maybe a nice bike but

Reliability - everyone I speak to says unreliable

Dealer network - shite to say the least - sell you the bike then kick out the door

BMW GS is hardly a paragon of reliability, is it:rolleyes:

I think they KTM is certainly no worse

Even the new WC has devloped a few niggles, so far
 
I spoke to the KTM salesman yesterday and mentined that they should carry a comfort seat in stock for customers to try out should they find the stock seat too firm. He told me that they actually did, but a new owner decided he wanted it and they reluctantly sold it and the replacement hasn't come in yet. At least they are thinking along the right lines and when said seat arrives, I'll take another ride to see how the comfort seat fairs.

Given the superb comfort my Sargent seat provided on my 12GS, I'd love them to bring out their version for the 1190 as I wouldn't hesitate buying one of those. But I don't think they have KTM on their list at all.


If the seat is the only thing stopping you buying a £15k bike then buy the bike and get a second seat then send it to James Renazco in the USA.

I did that for my 950SE as the original is VERY firm.

I now have a seat that has been tailored to my height and weight and type of riding and it proved itself by riding 2000 miles in 5 days without a single ache !!!

Cost about £300-James Renazco got a seat from KTM USA and customised it before mailing to me



I guarantee it will be the best seat you've ever used !!!!
 
If the seat is the only thing stopping you buying a £15k bike then buy the bike and get a second seat then send it to James Renazco in the USA.

I did that for my 950SE as the original is VERY firm.

I now have a seat that has been tailored to my height and weight and type of riding and it proved itself by riding 2000 miles in 5 days without a single ache !!!

Cost about £300-James Renazco got a seat from KTM USA and customised it before mailing to me



I guarantee it will be the best seat you've ever used !!!!

Good call...........:thumb2
 


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