Lights for a 1200, I need help.

[carsqhere]

Carsqhere, how's it going with the HID fit? I'm about to start fitting mine but read your post with dismay.

I'm back on Halogens awaiting some extra gubbins from Ian in Hids4u.

Apparently, there's a workaround which involves installing a relay to drive each of the HID's and a resistor to be wired in parallel with the bulb. The workaround is documented on here somewhere, I saw it before. I'll see if I can find the link to the post.

Also the kit I received should have had extensions to the 12volt leads, but didn't. The manual said you can extend these, so I extended the one I was working with to suit, but an extension would have been much neater.

Had a mechanic friend look at it last night, but still getting errors on the Canbus. Sometimes it lights & sometimes it dont. It usually faults shortly after anyway.

Other than the Canbus, I still need to mount the ballasts properly which means a bracket being fabricated, but I'll not get back to it now for a fortnight.

I'll post progress as it happens though.

CQH

 

[carsqhere]

The workaround is documented on here somewhere, I saw it before. I'll see if I can find the link to the post.

Here it is...

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57620

 

[CatchUp]

I'm back on Halogens awaiting some extra gubbins from Ian in Hids4u.

Apparently, there's a workaround which involves installing a relay to drive each of the HID's and a resistor to be wired in parallel with the bulb. The workaround is documented on here somewhere, I saw it before. I'll see if I can find the link to the post.


CQH

Here's the link http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57620&page=2&pp=16



Steve

 

[carsqhere]

Carsqhere, how's it going with the HID fit? I'm about to start fitting mine but read your post with dismay.

Just re-read your post...

I'd say go ahead and test them anyway, BUT test them extensively *before* you butcher the bulb access covers. It might be your bike has no problems with them, like Colebatch.

Mine worked on test for several ignition cycles, but I never left them running for long. Had I done sufficient pre-install testing, the fault might have kicked in & I'd have been aware of the difficulty. Enthusiasm got the better of experience

 

[harry]

CQH-I went ahead and fitted the dip one, will not light up and LAMPF comes on. I'm not using relays tho' i have them. Gave up and came in as was tired. Do you think the relay in circuit would make a difference? Thanks for the info.
BTW the bike is 06 and not ABS.

 

[THE ROVER]

CQH-I went ahead and fitted the dip one, will not light up and LAMPF comes on. I'm not using relays tho' i have them. Gave up and came in as was tired. Do you think the relay in circuit would make a difference? Thanks for the info.
BTW the bike is 06 and not ABS.

My mate wired some micro de's onto the bike this weekend and at first tried without fitting a relay. The canbus would only work the h/light and one of the extra lights. He fitted a relay and bobs your uncle. I can see!!

 

[carsqhere]

CQH-I went ahead and fitted the dip one, will not light up and LAMPF comes on. I'm not using relays tho' i have them. Gave up and came in as was tired. Do you think the relay in circuit would make a difference? Thanks for the info.
BTW the bike is 06 and not ABS.

Yes, I think it would, but I've not had a chance to test it. Mine's 06 with ABS but I don't think the ABS makes any difference here.

The relay just puts the HID on an independent circuit fed direct from the battery. This bypasses the Canbus. You would still get a fault on the display, but so long as the Canbus doesn't shut down the feed to the "missing" bulb, it should keep the relay closed, so keeping the HID lit.

As I understand it, the function of the resistor is to clear the error on the display by fooling the canbus into thinking it's driving a halogen, when in fact it's driving a relay & a resistor.

Bottom line - if you use a relay, it'll should work so long as there is a 12volt feed to the original bulb connector (which now drives the relay). If the canbus kills the circuit, the relay will trip out killing the HID.

If I get half a chance I'll test all this on mine tomorrow evening.

CQH

 

[harry]

Thanks everyone for the advice

 

[harry]

CQH Rigged everything up using the relay and bingo it works However i've got a Lamp fault showing on the dash. Looks as if the resistor, mentioned on the other thread,is a must to fool the Canbus into thinking alls normal.
I'm thinking that it would be possible to do without the Relay if i had the Resistor. What do you think?
I'll keep you posted of any developments at Bodger Electrics

 

[CatchUp]

Can someone post the relay details.

Cheers

Steve

 

[carsqhere]

Harry - Good, I'm glad to hear you got it working, and yes, the resistor ought to clear the fault.

It may be possible to do without the relay if you had the resistor, but I suspect not as the initial current draw to ignite the HID's appears to trip mine sometimes. If it were me, I'd keep the relay.

I'll keep you posted of any developments at Bodger Electrics

LOL, Please do. I'm sticking with the Halogens for this week but will be back at NoCanDo Engineering early Sunday to slay the canbus goblin

 

[carsqhere]

Can someone post the relay details.

Cheers

Steve

I've not got mine yet, but your single pole single throw (SPST) normally open 12volt relay ought to do the trick. Halford's or your local auto accessories/motor factors will stock them. Get a quality relay by the likes of Hella if you can, the cheapo ones can fall apart.

 

[CatchUp]

Thank you.

 

[harry]

CatchUp, i'd help you if i could but my relay(s) came all wired up in a sort of loom and mostly covered in tape which i'd prefer not unwrapping for obvious reasons

 

[North]

Well,

I am still waiting for my PIAA 600 HID lights. I got the PIAA light bar three weeks ago.

I was told two days ago that there are no PIAA HID lights in North America. Great, they sell me the light bar, but not the lights.

(The people in Europe are hogging them. ) They said that the HIDs are being bought up in Europe.

I sent PIAA an e-mail and got nothing back. I called them today and they were very helpful. So hopefully I get them soon.

 

[marcus]

Lights PDF

One of the chaps over on advrider brought this to my attention and it's worth sharing for the technophobes amongst us

http://www.bestrestproducts.com/celestia/doc_library/R1200GSLightbar.pdf

 

[carsqhere]

1 down, 1 to go...

Fitted the HID to the low beam today using a standard relay. Lamp error on the dash but the HID stayed lit. Happy Days!!!

Ran it for 30 odd miles of mostly unlit rural roads in lashing rain & pitch darkness, just the sort of situation where the standard halogen proved almost worthless. What a difference

The HID has pushed the usable envelope of light right to the cut-off of the low beam and is incredibly bright. It makes the high beam look feeble by comparison. Result! Hopefully I can get the high beam sorted shortly & then a couple of resistors ought to fix the errors.

 

[Les Wassall]

HID fitted to low beam, no Canbus problems, unless the battery is not totally full, if I have a had a few short trips then it takes a second start to clear the panel warning and fire the HID up, so Optimate daily.
Mounted under the cooler, in a central position as I felt on lock and compressed it may touch the forks.