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Did not say buy one I said test ride one, I would not have bought a Skoda 10 years ago but things move on.
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As previously mentioned, I got rid of my Tiger 955i when it started to melt in the road salt over the winter, for a bike built in Britain the finish was awful, peeling cases, badly corroded bolts all over and the rims were a joke. Even the simplest Engineering student will tell you not to put stainless steel (spokes) next to aluminim alloy (rims) and then add salt water, its a great battery but is crap for bike wheels. Every single spoke nipple caused massive corrosion at each entry point in the rim. Then the brake pads corroded into the caliper, even the dealer said it was a design fault because the seals prevented the build up in corrosion to escape and so they built up and got stuck. Not to mention that when the piston pops out of the caliper, so does the bloody brake fluid ! I've been an engineer for 45 years and I've never seen an 'open' hydraulic circuit ! Finally the ECU packed in (2 years old) so I just had enough.
Unfortunately my mate with a Sprint (2010 version) has had just as many reliability problems (in dealer more than he's ridden it) so I would never buy another Triumph until they make a bike that can be ridden all year round without falling to bits.
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As previously mentioned, I got rid of my Tiger 955i when it started to melt in the road salt over the winter, for a bike built in Britain the finish was awful, peeling cases, badly corroded bolts all over and the rims were a joke. Even the simplest Engineering student will tell you not to put stainless steel (spokes) next to aluminim alloy (rims) and then add salt water, its a great battery but is crap for bike wheels. Every single spoke nipple caused massive corrosion at each entry point in the rim. Then the brake pads corroded into the caliper, even the dealer said it was a design fault because the seals prevented the build up in corrosion to escape and so they built up and got stuck. Not to mention that when the piston pops out of the caliper, so does the bloody brake fluid ! I've been an engineer for 45 years and I've never seen an 'open' hydraulic circuit ! Finally the ECU packed in (2 years old) so I just had enough.
Unfortunately my mate with a Sprint (2010 version) has had just as many reliability problems (in dealer more than he's ridden it) so I would never buy another Triumph until they make a bike that can be ridden all year round without falling to bits.
Salt and metal don't mix no mater what the name is on the tank.
I had a 58 reg RT that needed a new front wheel rear wheel both foot rest hangers both front disc and a engine cover and so on, About £3'500 worth.
Out of the 6 1200s I have had 5 have had new FDs 2 FPCs the list goes on.
Would any of this stop me buying a BMW no it would not as they are great bikes to ride.
As for your 955 how old is that ? I had a RD80LC in 1983 that broke down would not stop me buying a Yamaha again if they made one I wanted.
Live for today not what has gone wrong in the past
BBB61
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When I buy a product, especially one that costs several thousands of pounds, I have reasonable expectations of it. I don't expect perfection, but I do expect good service from the manufacturer. If they fail to provide good service when things go wrong and try and blame the customer for their shortcomings (as Triumph's warranty department did with me) then I vote with my feet and buy something else. I have no intention of giving my hard earned to a manufacturer who treats their customers with contempt.
Triumph have not moved on in the same way as Skoda. The feature on Radio 4 "You and Yours" in June about the Bonneville owner who had corrosion onhis wheels within a couple of months of buying the bike, despite it only being used on dry roads, is proof that Triumph's attitude is unchanged. Expecting owners to wash their bikes after every ride (which is now clearly stated in the owners handbook) is an unreasonable condition to make of owners, and is a clear attempt to stop the factory from having to cover any corrosion related warranty claim.
If I had received the same sort of treatment from BMW as I had with Triumph I would also move on to other manufacturers, but having owned a BMW since 1993 continuously, apart from a two year break in 1999, the service I have received has been consistent and good. The fact remains that I had far more issues with the two Triumphs I owned than I have had on the seven BMW's I have owned.
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I'm not asking you to spend any money
You still miss my point, try or even go and look at the 800, then slag it off. until you do it's like me saying next years BMW is a pile of crap. (I'm not saying that)
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Sooty09
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Expecting owners to wash their bikes after every ride (which is now clearly stated in the owners handbook) is an unreasonable condition to make of owners, and is a clear attempt to stop the factory from having to cover any corrosion related warranty claim.
Sounds like BMW, my R1150R engine and gearbox paint started peeling off after 13 months (only 1 year warranty back in 2001). The dealer got the mottorad engineer to call and look at it.
I had washed the bike in the wrong cleaner, I should have used BMW approved special products.
Piss off mate, same cleaner as all my other bikes.
Next I was told I had put the bike into a garage while damp.
Yes I have, because if the bike is stolen off my drive it is not insured.
His final words were, " grind the paint off with a dremmel and touch it up with silver Hammerite"
Very poor PR, but the bike was so good to ride.
Same with this GS, I love it but S/arm ends, sump etc are starting to corrode.
I don't think any modern bike survives a harsh winter. The last bike I had that could take winter was a 1977 R65, looked crap in winter but cleaned up like new with a bit of TLC.(No paint on engine wheels, forks or bevel box, just quality alloy)
Sounds like BMW, my R1150R engine and gearbox paint started peeling off after 13 months (only 1 year warranty back in 2001). The dealer got the mottorad engineer to call and look at it.
I had washed the bike in the wrong cleaner, I should have used BMW approved special products.
Piss off mate, same cleaner as all my other bikes.
Next I was told I had put the bike into a garage while damp.
Yes I have, because if the bike is stolen off my drive it is not insured.
His final words were, " grind the paint off with a dremmel and touch it up with silver Hammerite"
Very poor PR, but the bike was so good to ride.
Same with this GS, I love it but S/arm ends, sump etc are starting to corrode.
I don't think any modern bike survives a harsh winter. The last bike I had that could take winter was a 1977 R65, looked crap in winter but cleaned up like new with a bit of TLC.(No paint on engine wheels, forks or bevel box, just quality alloy)
Have to agree, I had an f800s for a year and a half, ex BMW employee bike with 321 miles on it and immaculate, I used to keep it spotless but paint started to bubble on a part of the engine, the corrosion was coming from beneath the paint so obviously not prepared properly before painting. I know Rotax made the engines but they are badged BMW!
Hopefully they are now on top of the problem as I have just recently bought a F800GS.
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Okay when did you have your two Triumphs ?
BBB61
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So one of them lasted 5 years ? take a step forward and see what they are like now!!
BBB61
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The first one had a much better build quality and it was staggering how the quality had deteriorated so much by the time I bought my second one in 2004. The first one was not garaged for the first two years of its life but at five years old and with 35000 miles on the clock it looked better than the 2004 model did at a year old and with only 6000 miles on the clock. This one had had been garaged all its life too.
The fact is that they took a big step back in quality and the attitude of the factory was poor. They could be making the best bikes in the world, but their poor attitude when dealing with the issues I raised is something I am not prepared to take the risk of having to face again should I buy another and have similar issues.
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Stop living in the past for feck sake, move on. As i have said time and time again just take a look at the 800 then slag it off or even ride it then slag it off.
just slag the thing off if it makes you happy but at leat look at the thing first.
I've just had the sump replaced on mine out of warranty. BMW supplied the sump, but I had to pay the labour.
BBB61
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Are you eally stupid or are you just trying to provoke an argument for no good reason? Go back and read my earlier posts and you will see my criticism is not of the 800 Tiger but of the manufacturer and their attitude. I'm not living in the past, I'm just not prepared give my hard earned to a manuacturer that built a sub standard product and gave me crap service and failed to rectify the faults the bike had. It's simples really...............though you seem to be having major difficulty in grasping such a basic concept
