M1300 GS on the way ?

[Eastmidsbiker]

Spy Shots Reveal New Dirt-Focused BMW M 1300 GS On The Way - ADV Pulse

BMW’s “M” badge has long signaled top‑tier performance in the automotive world, and in recent years it has made a decisive move into BMW Motorrad’s lineup with the M 1000 RR, M 1000 R, and M 1000 XR. BMW trademark filings back in 2022 suggested that a higher-spec ‘M’ version of the R 1300 GS […]

www.advpulse.com

Interesting and logical evolution of a Dirt focussed model, 21 inch front wheel.

 

[J biker]

Great. ..but, surely the market would be for 17” front wheel before 21” ?

 

[Arsey]

Great. ..but, surely the market would be for 17” front wheel before 21” ?

I think the market is for cheaper, more relevant bikes.
BMW seem to be in cloud cuckoo land producing ever more ridiculous bollox.
Who really wants to pay probably nearly £30k for a tarted up 1300 when other manufacturers are now producing class-leading 1000cc adventure bikes for under £9k ? Including heated grips and seat , cruise, TPMS, Apple CarPlay nav etc etc .
Obviously there’ll be a few on here but I think BMW need a rethink or get left behind in the future .
Take a look in the CF Moto section -MCN just pitched the 1000MTX against the latest Africa Twin and Tiger 900.
The CF Moto was the stand out test winner, before even considering the massive price difference of over £5k.
Now obviously not many prospective GS owners would even consider a Chinese made bike . Because they’re utter shite and will lose 90% of their value when wheeled out of the showroom.I read it here . It’s utter bollox of course, but this is UKGSER after all.
But in the real world those with disposable income tend to be getting older and don’t really want or need a big £25k 1300. But in the UK, peer pressure and the ridiculous need to fit in to a perceived group means many are riding the wrong bike .

Germany and the UK will be the last bastion of the mighty GS.
The rest of Europe aren’t so blinkered .

 

[J biker]

Plenty €30k GS around in Europe There will be a market still for the high end stuff.
Using shared platform keeps prices down for manufacture, engine, frame..for example.
So what could be different on an M version? Wheels, suspension units, paint…maybe brake callipers. Plenty people will put their name down on a waiting list now if BMW announced such a bike, me included.

UK market is in general decline, due to biker numbers, legislation and money. Plenty other markets are still healthy.
Whilst I see Chinese bikes gaining ground, I still do not see a motorcycle they produce that I want, yet. Also, they can be cheap as chips, it does not mean they will hit GS sales numbers in the UK. Dont forget the demographic. Older, mortgage paid etc as new/young biker numbers are dwindling.
Practical and cheap Chinese I hear. People want brand names, performance, after market parts, meaningful guarantees, resale..parts availability..dare I say some street cred. Even old folks like a bit street cred

 

[Arsey]

People want brand names, performance, after market parts, meaningful guarantees, resale..parts availability..dare I say some street cred. Even old folks like a bit street cred

You mean like losing £8k in 8 months trading ‘up’ from a 1300GS to a GSA ?
Chinese bikes won’t hit GS sales as many GS buyers won’t consider anything else .
But the market is changing . Not everybody wants or needs a heavy GS costing more than many cars .

 

[leadfarmer]

You mean like losing £8k in 8 months trading ‘up’ from a 1300GS to a GSA ?
Chinese bikes won’t hit GS sales as many GS buyers won’t consider anything else .
But the market is changing . Not everybody wants or needs a heavy GS costing more than many cars .

As one of the sites serial swappers I’d imagine you’ve lost a few quid yourself along the way

You also happen have a 30 grand Ducati with an exhaust pipe that cost more than some Chinese bikes, I know there’s a back story and I’m not knocking it at all, just saying, you pays your money and all that

 

[Arsey]

As one of the sites serial swappers I’d imagine you’ve lost a few quid yourself along the way

You also happen have a 30 grand Ducati with an exhaust pipe that cost more than some Chinese bikes, I know there’s a back story and I’m not knocking it at all, just saying, you pays your money and all that

True , though I paid nothing like full price for it and certainly wouldn’t have specced an exhaust that cost twice as much as my latest bike .
And yes I’ve lost money on bikes but my comment was more aimed at those that seem to think a GS depreciates less than other bikes when real world evidence proves that is plainly bollox

 

[JJH]

You mean like losing £8k in 8 months trading ‘up’ from a 1300GS to a GSA ?
Chinese bikes won’t hit GS sales as many GS buyers won’t consider anything else .
But the market is changing . Not everybody wants or needs a heavy GS costing more than many cars .

Some people buy cars costing more than other peoples houses. JJH

 

[richh]

I wear a Casio, but if I had the disposable, damn right I’d buy a deep sea.

But apparently I’m still blinkered.


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[J biker]

Not everyone pays full wack, some of us are careful. I dont think this forum or, for example, the Ducati forum has many people seriously interested in budget bikes. Full price or not.
My GS still has value. Unlike a two year old Chinese motorcycle, or KTM…
But that is nothing to do with an M1300gs. I would buy one. Currently, no Chinese motorcycle is of interest.
Motorcycles are still a passion for me. I could not raise a smile, let alone anything else for their current offerings.

 

[Arsey]

Not everyone pays full wack, some of us are careful. I dont think this forum or, for example, the Ducati forum has many people seriously interested in budget bikes. Full price or not.
My GS still has value. Unlike a two year old Chinese motorcycle, or KTM…
But that is nothing to do with an M1300gs. I would buy one. Currently, no Chinese motorcycle is of interest.
Motorcycles are still a passion for me. I could not raise a smile, let alone anything else for their current offerings.

Sorry but don’t agree . Many on here are downsizing . A number have bought ADV350s and Himalayans recently .
I lost less money on a Voge 900 than I have on most bikes .
Actual experience rather than an ill conceived view based on the outdated “ it’s Chinese so it’s shite “ opinion .
In two years time I bet you the latest CF Motos will be worth more percentage wise than the latest GS.
Anyway , there’s no point debating that in here as many are just out of touch with the real world .

 

[gateway77]

I don't think people are necessarily out of touch or simply BMW blinkered. Just comfortable in what they want, like and occasionally what they really need.
Nothing I've tested can compare (for me) with my current GS1300 - tried all the competitors and for what I want nothing really comes close in its range of ability. It's fantastic and worth every penny in my opinion.

On the other hand I'm currently enquiring after a CF Moto 450 - for something lighter with a potential for lanes and maybe TET.
It's is getting rave reviews and the dealers I know are full of praise both for the bike and the company for it's support and innovation. They have no doubts about it's long term reliability either.

The pricing makes the established competitors (inc Honda / BMW) look expensive but beyond that it actually seems to do what I need it to do, it's not over complicated so it's a compelling package.
The BMW 450 rode pretty well but I couldn't really imagine taking it off road in its current set up, so even without the price factor it just doesn't fit the bill.

If any manufacturer brings out a really good product - customers simply vote with their cash

 

[J biker]

Sorry but don’t agree . Many on here are downsizing . A number have bought ADV350s and Himalayans recently .
I lost less money on a Voge 900 than I have on most bikes .

None of the 3 bikes mentioned would keep me on two wheels.

Once I cant have a motorcycle that does not interest me..I will quit. If the many on here are happy with downsizing, then good for them.
Why the fcuk would I want a 350 or Himalayan thing? I dont offroad, I like hooning, long distance covered at speed, twisty mountain roads and twelve hour riding days! Sometimes riding with mates who still ride sportsbikes. The GS has enough performance for that to be possible and enjoyable.
Your not convincing me of anything, other than the fact you are cutting cost.

 

[leadfarmer]

Different tools for different jobs, I have both a 1300GS and an ADV350, both are brilliant for their respective roles

 

[Doris]

Anyway , there’s no point debating that in here as many are just out of touch with the real world .

So……as a senior BA pilot..residing in Guernsey…..you feel you are in touch with the “real World” ? You do keep me amused…

 

[J biker]

Ah, a Channel Islander…
I know one or two, if not on the islands then typically keeping one of the bars busy in Brittany whilst explaining what is wrong in UK politics

 

[TaskMule]

Well this thread seems to have gone down the shite hole.
Back on topic, I expect BMW GS "M" image shows a 21 inch front wheel because the gs doesn't need any more paved road performance so the M will focus on extreme enduro performance. Maybe increased suspension travel over the current long travel option, serious shocks, more weight reduction.

 

[boatman]

I think the market is for cheaper, more relevant bikes.
BMW seem to be in cloud cuckoo land producing ever more ridiculous bollox.
Who really wants to pay probably nearly £30k for a tarted up 1300 when other manufacturers are now producing class-leading 1000cc adventure bikes for under £9k ? Including heated grips and seat , cruise, TPMS, Apple CarPlay nav etc etc .
Obviously there’ll be a few on here but I think BMW need a rethink or get left behind in the future .
Take a look in the CF Moto section -MCN just pitched the 1000MTX against the latest Africa Twin and Tiger 900.
The CF Moto was the stand out test winner, before even considering the massive price difference of over £5k.
Now obviously not many prospective GS owners would even consider a Chinese made bike . Because they’re utter shite and will lose 90% of their value when wheeled out of the showroom.I read it here . It’s utter bollox of course, but this is UKGSER after all.
But in the real world those with disposable income tend to be getting older and don’t really want or need a big £25k 1300. But in the UK, peer pressure and the ridiculous need to fit in to a perceived group means many are riding the wrong bike .

Germany and the UK will be the last bastion of the mighty GS.
The rest of Europe aren’t so blinkered .

AND ,,, who in any number realistically ,, can usefully ride a 1300 cc dirt bike ( I have enough with 350 - 400 cc dirt bikes ) .

 

[J biker]

Majority of GS bikes are used purely on tarmac. As are most large capacity ADVs.
Im not denying that the picture looks like an off road biased bike. And it may be an M model, in the future, who knows?

Fact is, most people who have fantasised about an M model GS were thinking a more road specific, sporty version. Nearly all artist/mock ups over the years have leaned this way. Maybe we might get both, but is there really a market for £30k off road bike?
Ducati make the Pikes Peak, and the more extreme RS Multistrada..both road bikes based on an ADV. No dirt version.

Maybe it is early to be excited. Before I was twice bitten by KTM reliability and depreciation, I was eagerly awaiting the 1290smt, there were spy shots a plenty. It never happened.