I dont know about the design industry in general, but i believe the print industry relies heavily on apple computers
Mac Book Pro... why?
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I use a Imac i7 & MBP.
Once you go "Apple' there is no turning back.
In 2 years I have never had to reboot because of a crash, every bit of software I have added has been very easy. It is so fast too.
If you have a look at 2nd hand prices of Macs on eBay that are 2 years old compared to 2 YO laptops you will see that they hold their value very well indeed. A 2 yo laptop is virtually worthless.
Once you go "Apple' there is no turning back.
In 2 years I have never had to reboot because of a crash, every bit of software I have added has been very easy. It is so fast too.
If you have a look at 2nd hand prices of Macs on eBay that are 2 years old compared to 2 YO laptops you will see that they hold their value very well indeed. A 2 yo laptop is virtually worthless.
i just sold my old MBP (2008 15", pre unibody) for for nearly £500, and last year, an 07 iMac for much the same, so they do hold value well.
however, i have had crashes, kernel panics and other software issues on multiple macs.
the reason i sold my old MBP was that it had the self destructing nVidea 8600GT graphics card (google it), and the special apple warranty on that was due to expire. they also have an issue with the screen backlights too. had 2, and they both did it.
so, not perfect, but never going back to windows.
however, i have had crashes, kernel panics and other software issues on multiple macs.
the reason i sold my old MBP was that it had the self destructing nVidea 8600GT graphics card (google it), and the special apple warranty on that was due to expire. they also have an issue with the screen backlights too. had 2, and they both did it.
so, not perfect, but never going back to windows.
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Reading all the comments on this thread was one of the two eventual deciding factors on buying a MacBook Air 13 last Saturday.
I've been using what used to be called microcomputers since the mid 1970s and CP/M, and despite running a magazine publishing business in the 1980s/90s stayed with DOS/Windows operating systems. But whilst Windows XP was fairly robust, Vista was a pile of rubbish, and with Windows 7 many of my older applications either struggle to run or don't run at all. If Microsoft can't be bothered to offer compatibility and stability, I might as well look elsewhere. And we're at the stage where three of our PCs are so slow they need to be zapped and reloaded.
And what a breath of fresh air the MacBook Air has proven to be so far. OK, I haven't got the networking side quite sorted yet (can't update files on the NAS drive or get PCs to access the Mac) but it's early days yet.
The second deciding factor was the availability of the one-to-one training. For just £79 I can attend all sorts of training sessions over the next twelve months at any of the Apple Stores. I'm booked on a 'Simple to Switch' PC to Mac session tomorrow and an 'Organize Your Photos with iPhoto' session the next day. What this (hopefully) means is that being able to overcome problems will be good for me, and also good for Apple as I will then replace the rest of our PC network with Macs. And most likely switch from Android phones to iPhones.
Why didn't I move to Macs years ago...
I've been using what used to be called microcomputers since the mid 1970s and CP/M, and despite running a magazine publishing business in the 1980s/90s stayed with DOS/Windows operating systems. But whilst Windows XP was fairly robust, Vista was a pile of rubbish, and with Windows 7 many of my older applications either struggle to run or don't run at all. If Microsoft can't be bothered to offer compatibility and stability, I might as well look elsewhere. And we're at the stage where three of our PCs are so slow they need to be zapped and reloaded.
And what a breath of fresh air the MacBook Air has proven to be so far. OK, I haven't got the networking side quite sorted yet (can't update files on the NAS drive or get PCs to access the Mac) but it's early days yet.
The second deciding factor was the availability of the one-to-one training. For just £79 I can attend all sorts of training sessions over the next twelve months at any of the Apple Stores. I'm booked on a 'Simple to Switch' PC to Mac session tomorrow and an 'Organize Your Photos with iPhoto' session the next day. What this (hopefully) means is that being able to overcome problems will be good for me, and also good for Apple as I will then replace the rest of our PC network with Macs. And most likely switch from Android phones to iPhones.
Why didn't I move to Macs years ago...
solomoto
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I have used macs for years and as a photographer they are the standard in the industry and do cost me a fortune. However they are bullet proof for working with in the way of stability and virus catching. Having friends who are designers they are often employed as freelancers and have to use the computers where the work is ( macs ) and knowing the system means theca complete on time. The design groups know how long things take and not having to relearn a different platform is a good thing.
So, if its for design go mac, but I would avoid Mac Air's as they have a solid state HD and if they go down you will be likely to loose a lot if not all data, I know this !!!
So, if its for design go mac, but I would avoid Mac Air's as they have a solid state HD and if they go down you will be likely to loose a lot if not all data, I know this !!!
DavidHale
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This really is a good part of the whole thing. Alex has been to the Apple store several times already on the back of this offer; what she does is set up a project then sit at the benches working on it then puts her hand up and asks relevant questions...
I would avoid Mac Air's as they have a solid state HD and if they go down you will be likely to loose a lot if not all data, I know this !!!
in what way is that different to a spinny drive?*
*unless you are prepared to throw a great deal of money at the recovery. anyway, that's what backups are for.
Mike L
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but I would avoid Mac Air's as they have a solid state HD and if they go down you will be likely to loose a lot if not all data, I know this !!!
That's why you make backups!
Mac do a cracking piece of software and hardware called "Timemachine" I have two on the go all the time to backup SolidWorks models, assemblies and drawings from my solid state drive. Two for belt and braces.... Clients have spent a small fortune for these designs the least I can do is look after them.
Mike L
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Forgot to mention.... Time machine does backups:-
Hourly backups for the last 24 hrs
Daily backups for the last month.
Weekly backups for all the previous months.
It just runs in the background. Incredibly useful!
Hourly backups for the last 24 hrs
Daily backups for the last month.
Weekly backups for all the previous months.
It just runs in the background. Incredibly useful!
i know that. the difference i was referring to is the loss of data when they fail.
SSD - no chance
spinning drive - maybe, but probably not worth the expense
backup - if you have one, the above doesn't matter
i know that. the difference i was referring to is the loss of data when they fail.
SSD - no chance
spinning drive - maybe, but probably not worth the expense
backup - if you have one, the above doesn't matter
Sorry mate, misread, but you're right on all counts I think
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i know that. the difference i was referring to is the loss of data when they fail.
SSD - no chance
spinning drive - maybe, but probably not worth the expense
backup - if you have one, the above doesn't matter
For those that Can't be bothered/don't want to back up. You can save documents to servers such as Apple ICloud and just reinstall the OS and applications as required. Just make sure you have the installation disks and key codes!
Well after simply ages of procrastinating about getting an Apple MacBook Pro, I finally decided that £2,200.00 was simply too much even for something as lovely as this.
Apart from that, I needed to run Windows so I would have had to shell out for a Windows 7 to run in Bootcamp and as much as I liked the MacBook Pro, I decided Apple were extracting the juice. I tried to get the student discount that I am entitled to and Apple were prepared to know off about £200.00 When I enquired about their re-furbished stock, they told me there was no discount on that as their re-furbished stock "was already discounted".
Anyway, I happened upon this little beauty...... Samsung NP-700G7A-S02UK and apart from it running rings around the Mac, I get the VAT back and Nectar points too! lol £1200.00 so I've saved myself over a grand and that buys a lot of petrol I can tell you!!!
Apart from that, I needed to run Windows so I would have had to shell out for a Windows 7 to run in Bootcamp and as much as I liked the MacBook Pro, I decided Apple were extracting the juice. I tried to get the student discount that I am entitled to and Apple were prepared to know off about £200.00 When I enquired about their re-furbished stock, they told me there was no discount on that as their re-furbished stock "was already discounted".
Anyway, I happened upon this little beauty...... Samsung NP-700G7A-S02UK and apart from it running rings around the Mac, I get the VAT back and Nectar points too! lol £1200.00 so I've saved myself over a grand and that buys a lot of petrol I can tell you!!!
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Well, it's not the RAM or CPU speed that's any better than the mac - you seem to be basing this entirely on the 2TB drive (which is admittedly huge for a laptop
)From what I know of these larger drives the i/o speeds are still not really good enough (yet) so it will probably perform worse than a similar spec machine with a sub 1TB drive with good speeds.
If you had windows 7 on whatever you had before, then you wouldn't need to buy it again. You can simply migrate the old licence onto the mac. Actually, if you really wanted it's very easy to clone your old PC and put it on the mac, documents, applications and all.
Also - will the Samsung run OSX? or/and Linux?
if you only want windows then don't buy a macbook
If you want something that will run rings round other laptops, buy a macbook.
Truly I really wanted a Macbook Pro, but for a £1100 more, (Samsung have a VAT back offer on at present), I just found it too hard to justify.
I asked about student discount and Apple only offered less than £300 off and they don't give student discount on their re-furb gear.
My Samsung will run Linux, (why would I want it to run OSX?), and it also has a proper keyboard too.
One other thing that swung the deal is that the current Macbook Pro models are coming to the end of their model life very soon and the replacement won't have an optical drive and I consider an optical drive a neccessity, but the main thing is simply that I couldn't justify the extra £1100
My Samsung has a nice brushed anodized aluminum body, is very quiet, incredibly fast and doesn't require me to run 2 operating systems to do what I want it to do and I can use my exisitng software too.
I know this is going to offend or upset some with Macs and I'm not trying to wind anyone up, but I do like Macs, I just had a choice and made it for the reasons above.
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Ok, so Alex loves her MBP, and it really is a shiney thing indeed. I need a new laptop but I really can't stretch to those sort of prices. What does anyone recommend instead? Photo editing, that sort of stuff so big files that need to be handled.
The new Macbook Pro 2012 is now on sale and the top end versions have a 'retina display'
There is no dvd drive cos Apple are convinced that they are no longer needed onboard.
Already someone has taken one apart and claims that they can never be repaired. This article claims that the ram is soldered and the battery is glued into place.
Hail the £2000 disposable computer
There is no dvd drive cos Apple are convinced that they are no longer needed onboard.
Already someone has taken one apart and claims that they can never be repaired. This article claims that the ram is soldered and the battery is glued into place.
Hail the £2000 disposable computer
Mike L
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It can be repaired. Just not by Joe Public. BGA (Ball grid array) rework is common practice in the electronics industry and glue can be broken down in various ways depending on the spec. (Heating, freezing, chemical solvent) What it does mean is that only specialists will be able to do it.
NOT TRUE
I have this model, purchased in March 08. Apple honoured the warranty and fixed the graphics card in February with no quibbles. On the other hand before I went to Apple, the people I purchased it from, Cancom of Merrow looked at it, said it didn't qualify for a warranty repair and quoted me £579 for a repair.
I didn't have any special apple warranty or support. Just phone Apple and give them the serial number of your device. You should pass this on the the bloke you sold your MacBook pro to. If it hasn't gone wrong, it's going to happen soon.
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