Many thanks Humbug/Andy, got me disc yesterday, you are a Top Gezzer, I owe you one, i've never upgraded/ down loaded a new disc, bought the Garmin street pilot 111, second hand, on checking it's disc is version 4!! will this affect if i try to go strait to v8? Try not to larf to much, we'er not all techno experts, cheers again Andy, kindest regards Dusan