Moscow do's and dont's?

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Can anyone offer advice on things to do and things not to do in Moscow? I'm off there on a business trip on Sunday for 6 days and will have some free time to explore on Sunday afternoon and most of the day on Friday.

Mike
 
Don't dress up like stalin and goose step up and own the main street - on Sunday.


friday's ok though :D :thumb
 
Went there back in 1981. The Kremlin is a "must" but you will be surprised how big it is. We spent an afternoon there and I'm sure we didn't see all of it. I didn't go to to Lenins Tomb, and ever since I regretted it. I think the church (is it called St Peters) on Red Square - adjacent to the Kremlin looks very impressive. It was out of bounds for repair when I went, but I've seen lovely internal photos of it since.

Apart from the usual tourist stuff, some of the best memories I still have were seeing just how ordinary Russians lived. I'm sure you will love it.
 
Take lots of carrier bags, to take out with you when you go shoping.

- they never used to have any packaging for anything that you bought - i.e. chess sets, they just gave you all the pieces and board and you had to to find enough pockets to carry all the parts in .
 
Certainly take a walk around Red Square and round the shopping centre opposite. A trip to Gorky Park is worth it, you can see the Space Shuttleski.

You'll find it all quite grim at this time of year, there'll be dirty slush everywhere. Make sure you take waterproof shoes.

Make the most of it and take taxi's where you want, they're very cheap.

I'd stay clear of some of the more 'colourful' nightspots - you could become a target of crime.

Do go on the metro, it all looks quite art deco, the carriges are massive as well - does take a bit of navigation though.

All in all its now a very western place and you don't get the feeling for the real russia. Good luck and enjoy.
 
Mike
I was there a couple of months ago when it was still blisteringly hot so I can't advise you on your attire except to say it's a whole lot colder now !!!

When you are on the flight they will give you a 2 part immigration form to fill in which you have to hand in to passport control when you land. They keep half of it and you keep the other in your passport. DO NOT LOSE THIS PIECE OF PAPER - if you do you will have a hell of job when you come to leave the country. Also if you venture out always have your passport and that piece of paper with you. You can be stopped by uniformed and plain cloths secuity police at any time and if you don't have it you can expect a visit to the cells whilst your situation is clarified.

The police are as currupt as they come. If you do get stopped and even if all your papers are in order they may well tell you (in Russian) that there is a problem so be prepared to bribe your way out of the situation. Best is to have two wallets. One well hidden with your credit cards and real cash in it and another with some out of date cards and a little bit of cash. If you get stopped by the cops and it looks like it is starting to take a long time produce the extra wallet and offer $5 to start with . Do it with a smile and a handshake and move along quickly. They may try and fleece you for a bit more but $5 would normally be enough unless you have really done something wrong. If your extra wallet only has about $20 in it that is the most they can get from you. Stay very cool with the cops - they don't mess around and they have no hesitation in whisking non-Russians into the station for a good fleecing . The extra wallet may also come in handy in case the 'assailant' isn't an offical but just a street robber.

Also before wandering out on foot check with the hotel where is Ok to walk. I stayed in the Holiday Inn and there were armed security guards all around and they were checking under the cars with mirrors for bombs on any cars going into the underground carpark. The area around our hotel was decidely not good to walk around .

If you are interested in electronic goods, DVDs or software head to "Garbushka". It a center for all electronics companies spread over two large malls. You can buy literally anything electronic there and the top floor has loads of pirated CD's , DVD and software all being sold openly . It's good quality gear and all looks like the real thing. I bought 5 CDs from Pink Floyd and a few other well known names and they worked out about $4 each. 'The wall' double CD was only $6 !!

Negotiate your taxi prices in advance of getting in the taxi and keep the name and address of your hotel with your (written in Russian) otherwise getting back later can be a challenge.

Lastly and very important is think twice if you really need to take your laptop or any other expensive gadgets with you. One of my colleagues had his laptop confiscated at customs because he did not have an export permit when he was leaving the country . As you can imagine getting an export permit for something you didn't buy in Russia is not easy and getting it back from customs is impossible. Now whenever we go to Russia we never take laptops or any other gadgets with us. If you really need to take it then I think you need to arrange something through the Russian embassy before you arrive to confirm the items you are bringing (with serial numbers etc) can be imported and re-exported : and have it written in Russian - Englishki don't work there mate !!!

You may in fact be asked for an export permit for anything you buy or try and leave the country with. It's another example of Russian corruption - no export permit can mean they confiscate the item and you have and you can't hang around because you need to rush off to your flight clutching a piece of paper written in Russian which is meaningless. You've lost whatever they confiscated for sure.

Have fun comrade :D
 
Google Earth has some fantastic detail of Moscow with lots of places highlighted. I have had a fleeting visit to Moscow and would certainly recommend going to Red Square and St Basils Cathedral - at this time of year it should be snowing and it will look magical - especially if they have the Christmas lights up. Also go round the Kremlin, there are four cathedrals in the precinct all worth a visit Finally make sure you find the huge cannon displayed outside within the Kremlin and the huge bell with the cutout for you to walk into it.
 
As always you lot are the fountain of all knowledge.

Thanks to everyone who replied (even Gecko who now has me checking whether my ticket is refundable :D)

Mike
 
It's not often I consider writing up a report on a business trip, but Moscow was bizarre in the extreme and worthy of a few comments.

Traffic - I have never seen anything like it anywhere. Moscow is huge and totally overwhelmed with traffic at all hours of the day. The roads through the city are 6 lanes wide in each direction. Cars go along at 60mph+. When congested (which seemed to be most of the time) the lane markings are ignored and 6 lanes become 8 or even 9. Turning left (i.e. across the flow of oncoming traffic) has to be seen to be believed. If there is just one left-turn lane they will turn it into 4. At one junction I counted 6 rows of cars all side by side waiting to cross into a single carriageway road. The taxi ride we took home from the office on Wednesday night had me genuinely scared for my life. Our quickest journey to the office was 20 minutes. Our worst journey back was 2 hours. If we had known where we were then we could no doubt have walked quicker.

Hotels & Restaurants: I stayed in a nice 4 star hotel that would have cost me US$140 in California. In Russia it was $300. The food however was excellent and in the bar at least was very reasonably priced. The food at the office was exactly what you would have expected food to be like in communist Russia. Grey unidentifiable meat, overcooked vegetables (mostly cabbage) and cabbage soup with stale bread. Yuk. One thing that did surprise me was the hotel hookers. It took my colleague and I an hour or so to realise that the four drop dead gorgeous girls in the hotel bar that kept smiling at us as they walked past were there to solicit business. On our last night, and fuelled up with numerous cocktails celebrating a good week, I stopped to talk to one of the girls after she beckoned me to sit down when I walked back from the gents. She spoke perfect English and was just amazing to look at. A photo wouldn't do justice (which is just as well as I don't have any). She was also pretty forward in stating her business. "Do you want hot Siberian sex?" she asked. A moment's pause (no longer, honestly) and I declined her offer and beat a hasty retreat to the bar. Apparently the going rate is $300 and they seem to be tolerated by the hotel management who are no doubt taking a cut of their business. It put me off the hotel and I'm quite glad this was my last night. Lovely to look at though :eyebrow.

Sightseeing: Walk along the main streets in Moscow and you could be anywhere in the world if you ignore the fact that all the writing is funny. The same designer labels, the same bright neon shop fronts. Just more expensive!. Red Square and the Kremlin are incredible. Lenin's tomb was closed on Friday but we did get to go around the cathederals in the Kremlin. Having the mother of all hangovers I needed a coffee. Right next to the entrance to Red Square and overlooking the eternal flame for the unknown soldier is McDonalds. You have to pass through a metal detector to get into McDonalds which disturbed me a bit. I'll never forget though sitting inside the ultimate symbol of American capitalism while watching Russian soldiers goose-stepping outside for the changing of the guard at the eternal flame.

Would I go again? Probably. Should you go? Yes. The advice from this thread really helped - luckily I didn't need to use the bad bits - but it certainly made me feel much less apprehensive when I was there.

Mike
 
Steptoe said:
Take lots of carrier bags, to take out with you when you go shoping.

- they never used to have any packaging for anything that you bought - i.e. chess sets, they just gave you all the pieces and board and you had to to find enough pockets to carry all the parts in .

Thats why them russian doll things all fit into one another. It makes them easier to carry.
 


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