Multistrada 1200 v Guzzi Stelvio

I was getting on the ferry the other month with a guy on a Stelvio, he had 3000 miles on it and my GSA had 14000 miles. His 12 months old - mine 18 months. Mine looked brand new his looked bloody awful. The corrosion was just bad, spokes rotten - exhaust rotten, sorry but no way could I go that route. If your looking at a Multistrada but dont want the cost, get a 1050 Tiger and get Maxton to build the rear shock to suit you. I loved mine and the engine really is awesome. Did 8000 miles and the quality was very good although I had my doubts when I got it - The Multi is about as handy as the Tiger off road

So one dis-sheveld Stelvio compared to your gleaming GS, perhaps the guy never cleans it, perhaps you pamper yours. There are plenty of examples on this forum of very poor build quality and paint falling off fairly new BMWs. I'm unable to find any corrosion on my Stelvio, I wonder if the paint will be flaking off its engine cover and fork legs next May when it's two years old, I know it was on my GS1150.
The rear shock on my three year old Tiger 1050 is holding out fine, no corrosion on that either despite winter use.
Stonker, if you don't fancy another BMW, and you listen to the unfounded negative drivel about Moto Guzzis, then a Tiger 1050 is a terrific motorcycle, not really a dual purpose machine like the Gs, but a feckin' great ride with a super engine.
 
Next spring I will be in for a new bike (if I stay in work!). I had an 1150GS a few years ago ....... The trouble is that since then, I haven't been able to find a bike that suited me like the GS did.

I said right at the beginning that I would never have another BMW. That being the case.........

Why don't you just pop over to the Guzzi forum and tell them you are thinking about buying a Ducati. Then you could try the Ducati forums and tell them you are thinking of buying a Guzzi. Finally go and talk to Yamaha, include the GS in your discussions, and see which of the three they think you should buy.

When you have the answers let me know whether any of the other people you spoke to needed feedback on their inetrpersonal skills as well :P
 
It sounds like you really want the Guzzi and if they have fixed the engine issue go for that. In my experience, Italian bikes get under your skin and you fall in love with them (even after a few niggles).

Buy the Guzzi.

Cheers, Colin.
 
Well I didn't intend this to be a slagging off BWM thread as since I had my problems and was in the minority, it seems that more and more people are unhappy with their product (which I wasn't) and sheer arrogance.

Aidan, I did think of doing what you suggest and just put Skoda badges on the feckin thing but can't bring myself to endorse the brand at all.

Maybe I should give the Tiger another try as I guess it would look at home next to the rocket 111.

As one of the other posters said though, once you've owned a Guzzi, they do get 'under your skin' and having not owned one for 20 years, maybe it's time to return

The Ducati I guess is the 'bike of the moment'. The price doesn't really bother me but I just wonder if it will prove that durable, whether it will be facelifted to fix the issues with it and what happens when all those superfluous electronics go wrong.
 
I've roadtested both the new Moto Guzzi Stelvio NTX and the Ducati 1200 Multistrada in the last few months.

Guzzi looked nice, and has a lot of "launch" from the engine. It was good fun to ride and I think it would make a great buy 2nd hand but £11900 for a new one ..... ouch. Everything vibrated like heck, mirrors were buzzed out on the motorway above 50 mph, clutch was very odd and the layout of the gearchange meant accidentally hitting the propstand every now and then... not wise or maybe safe. The plastics looked good but were thin and wobbled. I've owned older MGs which were better made than the new NTX. I also think that if you did "neglect" it, it'd look rough very soon. I think the Stelvio has a lot going for it, but it's a better buy at say £5 - £6K for a well looked after 2nd hand one with luggage and some aftermarket stuff but not a good buy new. When I got back on the GSA1200, it was like getting back onto a comfy, well designed and well behaved allrounder which really is a better bike in my opinion (and it's just my opinion mind you).

Now, the Ducati MTS 1200 is altogether different. It's a bit rough and tatty when you fire it up and also vibrates but in a different way. However, it is a real missile in disguise and despite what anyone says, it's more rough and edgy compared to a GS on any basis. However, whereas the Guzzi has "character", the Ducati has a touch of zest or "edginess" which is good for those whose blood runs faster through their veins but would be hated by many other more traditional BMW riders. It's really small and cramped in the riding position compared to the BMW GS, the screen is about as useful as the GSs (not as good as a GSA by any means) and the bike wants to be ridden in a "sporting" manner. It has what looks like a lot of electronics (maybe not as many as one might think though) via the "mode switching" facility but other than that not that much more than a GS with ESA and all the electronic goodies. It also looks to be less for your money than a GS when you analyse it more carefully although the Sport and Touring do offer more. I liked it but found it a tad misbehaved and like the Guzzi you'd need to get used to it. I think there's a lot of bull@*%t on the forums and although my test bike engine ran smoothly in all modes, the forums reveal a big issue with surging and hesitation which appears to be driving some owners pretty crazy. There are quite a lot of declared issues which Ducati really need to fix before the early love affair sours for some owners.

However, if you were to buy a Ducati MTS, I'd say "buy new" rather than 2nd hand. I think a good few owners new to Ducati will tire of their new Ducati's "character" and will say it was a learning experience and move on to a different bike. Their MTS with all its resident niggles wil be on the forecourt to be bought 2nd hand. Hmm. Will they be sorted by the dealers ? Don't count on it.

Better to buy new maybe. Moreso as the 2011 or "next edition" MTS1200 should have more of the underlying issues addressed hopefully.

The GS is still the best "all round" bike and isn't popular just because of fashion or "Ewan and Charlie". I think that effect is wearing off fast. It is a bike that meets the needs of today's roads and today's riders.

Moto Guzzi dealers are truly a mixed and odd bunch. They all seem to look a bit dodgy and slightly shifty and smell of old oil, but that might be me. I asked one well known MG dealer on the south coast of England how he found MG supplies these days and after speaking highly about the MG motorcycles themselves he launched into an astonishingly expletive splattered diatribe about Moto Guzzi Italy ... gosh what a lot of new swear words I learned that day.

The Ducati salesmen are different. They all seem nervous and twitchy and have lots of little nervous tics ..... must be that free Ducati coffee you see in all their showrooms. If you're not instantly interested in their products, you're almost dismissed from the showroom as a timewaster or a peasant. Hmm. The showroom does contain a lot of 'interesting' people ("yes that's my Lamborghini blocking your van, Charlie"...) and chaps admiring each other's contours just a bit too closely in their "skintight" Ducati leathers. The bikes do smell nice though ..... anyone noticed that ?

So, to summarise, buy yourself a nice 2nd hand Guzzi and even if it's crap, you won't have paid too much for it. If it's a good 'un, and probably will be, enjoy it !
 
Good thread! :thumb2

A mine of information :).

oh,
I'd get the Guzzi :thumb .
While i make Bike purchases on a three way split between

Brain
Heart
and
Wallet.

All three must agree before i get 'It'.

But in this case heart will win on the basis that even if (when? :rolleyes:) it gives trouble,
I know i'd still get more out of it than i'll have to put into it.
That for me, is the measure of a Bike. :)
 
I think you need an interpersonal skills course Mutley.

I said right at the beginning that I would never have another BMW. That being the case.........

......you came to a BMW forum to find out what our second choice was?

I didn't do a comparison, just decided I wanted a GS and it worked for me so I have one.

I did have a Guzzi a good few years ago, and I still have a soft spot for the old piece of junk (it was simple enough to fix by the side of the road. which was fortunate). So I'll put a word in for the Stelvio, although the old round barrel big twin engines did look better to me.
 
Thanks Alex, a good read indeed.

I have noticed the heavy depreciation on the Stelvio but did find the 4v to be much better to ride than the earlier 8v (same engine, just different cams & mapping). I have also heard a whisper that there will be a 'larger tank' version at the Milan show. I was considering a used one but if I buy new, it would be a company purchase and I can claim the VAT back.

I agree with your views on the MTS and have indeed seen the niggles on the forum. When launched I suspected as much and thought it may be better to wait for any problems to be fixed.
 
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Moto Guzzi dealers are truly a mixed and odd bunch...

The Ducati salesmen are different. They all seem nervous and twitchy and have lots of little nervous tics .....

..... anyone noticed that ?

Absolutely on the money! Very funny and perceptive.

And newer BMW dealers seem to have a whiff of Kraftwerk about them.
 
If a buyer is prepared to wait.....er, a while :augie, I seem to remember Honda were talking about a Varadero replacement using the VFR1200 engine :nenau
 
And the new Moto Guzzi "Concept" bikes which look gorgeous and I really hope they put at least some of them into production.
 
Aprilia are bringing out a new Capponord ..............soon. Seriousley I had one in 07 did 15,000 miles good bike I would have another gone all rt at the monent. JJH
 
Aprilia are bringing out a new Capponord ..............soon. Seriousley I had one in 07 did 15,000 miles good bike I would have another gone all rt at the monent. JJH


I had one in 2003/2004 - much quicker than a GS (139mph sat bolt upright on the flat, gps verified), but the wind noise was deafening and the handling was scary :(
 
Yes I wonder what the Aprilia will be like? Will it be a V4? Still chain drive I guess
 


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