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At some point in a very near future, I will need to replace OEM factory issue chain and sprockets on my 2018 1290 Super Adventure S with a brand new set. The bike has now done 19K miles on that set, and links are stating to bind/kink a little. A little surface rust has appeared on the chain after bike bing stirred in a non heated garage (no electric). I suspect that the chain will be replaced at around 20.5-21K miles after wife and I will return from Germany in a couple of moths time.

I am rather tempted to buy a nice chain (gold? :nenau) and a bright orange (KTM PowerParts) rear supersprox sprocket. The front sprocket can be gem, as it does live behind a cover anyway.

Now, the OEM set-up is 17 teeth on the front and 42 teeth on the back. This set up however, has a drawback for my liking.
When lets say in France on a rural, back road, following their 80-90km/ph (50-55mph) limits, the bike does not like to do this speeds in 6th gear, it sort of feels like motor is straining, unless you hit 100-120km/ph (65-70mph), then it is a ok, but not brilliant. Down shift into 5th, and the bike sounds like it asking to be shifted into 6th, as revs are a little to high.

Now, what would be the optimum set up to rectify this issue, I am assuming, reducing to say 41 teeth rear sprocket, would make the gearing a little longer, meaning that in 5th the bike would ride on fewer revs at circa 60mph, whilst in 6th id have to be looking at having to do 75-80? ow would it be the other way around, if fitted with 43 tooth sprocket.
Logic tells me, that the more teeth on the rear, the slower top speed become and easier pulling away from a standstill. The fewer teeth, would result in slower pulling away, but in a higher top speed. I am not bothered about the top speed, as I will never reach it anyway. However, which setup would be the ultimately more comfortable?

Has anybody on here have changed their 1290 drivetrain set-up? @Paul S any suggestions?
I have spoken with one of the KTM dealers, Jim Aim Motorcycles, their service department guys do not recommend changing the gearing at all. In fact they would not even do it as a job, due to risking damaging gearbox etc. Is this true?

Thank you.

Ev
 
Hi EVSkij

Go to gearingcommander.com

Add your bike at the top and then you can calculate speeds in gears using different combinations of sprockets (y)

I used it when I down geared my triumph
Great stuff! :thumb Thank you Sir!
 
At some point in a very near future, I will need to replace OEM factory issue chain and sprockets on my 2018 1290 Super Adventure S with a brand new set. The bike has now done 19K miles on that set, and links are stating to bind/kink a little. A little surface rust has appeared on the chain after bike bing stirred in a non heated garage (no electric). I suspect that the chain will be replaced at around 20.5-21K miles after wife and I will return from Germany in a couple of moths time.

I am rather tempted to buy a nice chain (gold? :nenau) and a bright orange (KTM PowerParts) rear supersprox sprocket. The front sprocket can be gem, as it does live behind a cover anyway.

Now, the OEM set-up is 17 teeth on the front and 42 teeth on the back. This set up however, has a drawback for my liking.
When lets say in France on a rural, back road, following their 80-90km/ph (50-55mph) limits, the bike does not like to do this speeds in 6th gear, it sort of feels like motor is straining, unless you hit 100-120km/ph (65-70mph), then it is a ok, but not brilliant. Down shift into 5th, and the bike sounds like it asking to be shifted into 6th, as revs are a little to high.

Now, what would be the optimum set up to rectify this issue, I am assuming, reducing to say 41 teeth rear sprocket, would make the gearing a little longer, meaning that in 5th the bike would ride on fewer revs at circa 60mph, whilst in 6th id have to be looking at having to do 75-80? ow would it be the other way around, if fitted with 43 tooth sprocket.
Logic tells me, that the more teeth on the rear, the slower top speed become and easier pulling away from a standstill. The fewer teeth, would result in slower pulling away, but in a higher top speed. I am not bothered about the top speed, as I will never reach it anyway. However, which setup would be the ultimately more comfortable?

Has anybody on here have changed their 1290 drivetrain set-up? @Paul S any suggestions?
I have spoken with one of the KTM dealers, Jim Aim Motorcycles, their service department guys do not recommend changing the gearing at all. In fact they would not even do it as a job, due to risking damaging gearbox etc. Is this true?

Thank you.

Ev
Hi Ev

To be honest I have never been tempted to to change the gearing on any of my 1190/1290 bikes as I have found the gearing to be OK as is - 6th can be a bit of an overdrive particularly on the 2018 from memory but I was fine with that and using 5th more on lower speed roads. I have also never worn out the chain on one as I tend to swap out bikes before it is needed and is further helped by using chain oilers.

That said I cannot see any harm putting a slightly larger sprocket on the back (1 or 2 extra teeth) and ordering the correct length chain to go with it - would not drop a tooth off the front sprocket as that IMO would increase wear too much on the sprocket/chain.
 
Hi Ev

... I have found the gearing to be OK as is - 6th can be a bit of an overdrive particularly on the 2018 from memory but I was fine with that and using 5th more on lower speed roads.
I would agree with that. I was out today on the smaller roads (790 Adv). 6th is too high. 5th is OK to about 110kph and the motor and chain feel "happy"
6th gear at 100 kph and the chain feels like it is whipping.
 
Hi Ev

To be honest I have never been tempted to to change the gearing on any of my 1190/1290 bikes as I have found the gearing to be OK as is - 6th can be a bit of an overdrive particularly on the 2018 from memory but I was fine with that and using 5th more on lower speed roads. I have also never worn out the chain on one as I tend to swap out bikes before it is needed and is further helped by using chain oilers.

That said I cannot see any harm putting a slightly larger sprocket on the back (1 or 2 extra teeth) and ordering the correct length chain to go with it - would not drop a tooth off the front sprocket as that IMO would increase wear too much on the sprocket/chain.
I suppose, if I stick with original setup, then I will just carry on using it was is. having lived with it for 6 years now. After lazy riding style of my last (2017) GSA, this 'issue" was more evident to me in the begging. So I kind of wish I could have that feeling back, but with KTM instead.
I would agree with that. I was out today on the smaller roads (790 Adv). 6th is too high. 5th is OK to about 110kph and the motor and chain feel "happy"
6th gear at 100 kph and the chain feels like it is whipping.
Thats exactly how it feels to me, as if it does want to jump off.
 
I suppose, if I stick with original setup, then I will just carry on using it was is. having lived with it for 6 years now. After lazy riding style of my last (2017) GSA, this 'issue" was more evident to me in the begging. So I kind of wish I could have that feeling back, but with KTM instead.

Thats exactly how it feels to me, as if it does want to jump off.
Yup. Stick to 5th. Consumption will hardly be affected and your motor will thank you.
Smaller sprockets equals more chance of a wheelie and spitting the wife of the back :D
 
I suppose, if I stick with original setup, then I will just carry on using it was is. having lived with it for 6 years now. After lazy riding style of my last (2017) GSA, this 'issue" was more evident to me in the begging. So I kind of wish I could have that feeling back, but with KTM instead.

Thats exactly how it feels to me, as if it does want to jump off.
Ev - putting a 44 tooth sprocket on the back should make top less of an overdrive and so potentially make the bike feel more relaxed as you could then ride in 6th at lower speeds. Worst thing is that you don't like it and have to fit a standard 42 tooth sprocket and take a link out of the chain new chain.
 
For peace of mind, I have stuck with the OEM kit from CZ, when replacing the chain and spockets. Primary concern would be unintended wear on the g/b output shaft splines. through using a non-OEM font sprocket......
 
For peace of mind, I have stuck with the OEM kit from CZ, when replacing the chain and spockets. Primary concern would be unintended wear on the g/b output shaft splines. through using a non-OEM font sprocket......
The Supersprox rear sprocket is part of KTM powerparts catalogue. This is even embossed with KTM branding and their own part number.
D.I.D black or gold chain will go on mine, haven’t yet made up my mind. Contemplating whether to get a supersprox front sprocket with rubber bushing, for a smoother ride. There is £3 difference in it.

Complete set of bits mentioned above comes to a grand total of £190
 
At some point in a very near future, I will need to replace OEM factory issue chain and sprockets on my 2018 1290 Super Adventure S with a brand new set. The bike has now done 19K miles on that set, and links are stating to bind/kink a little. A little surface rust has appeared on the chain after bike bing stirred in a non heated garage (no electric). I suspect that the chain will be replaced at around 20.5-21K miles after wife and I will return from Germany in a couple of moths time.

I am rather tempted to buy a nice chain (gold? :nenau) and a bright orange (KTM PowerParts) rear supersprox sprocket. The front sprocket can be gem, as it does live behind a cover anyway.

Now, the OEM set-up is 17 teeth on the front and 42 teeth on the back. This set up however, has a drawback for my liking.
When lets say in France on a rural, back road, following their 80-90km/ph (50-55mph) limits, the bike does not like to do this speeds in 6th gear, it sort of feels like motor is straining, unless you hit 100-120km/ph (65-70mph), then it is a ok, but not brilliant. Down shift into 5th, and the bike sounds like it asking to be shifted into 6th, as revs are a little to high.

Now, what would be the optimum set up to rectify this issue, I am assuming, reducing to say 41 teeth rear sprocket, would make the gearing a little longer, meaning that in 5th the bike would ride on fewer revs at circa 60mph, whilst in 6th id have to be looking at having to do 75-80? ow would it be the other way around, if fitted with 43 tooth sprocket.
Logic tells me, that the more teeth on the rear, the slower top speed become and easier pulling away from a standstill. The fewer teeth, would result in slower pulling away, but in a higher top speed. I am not bothered about the top speed, as I will never reach it anyway. However, which setup would be the ultimately more comfortable?

Has anybody on here have changed their 1290 drivetrain set-up? @Paul S any suggestions?
I have spoken with one of the KTM dealers, Jim Aim Motorcycles, their service department guys do not recommend changing the gearing at all. In fact they would not even do it as a job, due to risking damaging gearbox etc. Is this true?

Thank you.

Ev
1. You need to understand why vehicles have more than one gear
2. Refer to 1

This gives 2 options in France:

1. Use 5th when doing 50mph all day long
2. Don't do 55mph all day long

I go with option 2, assuming miles of relatvely straight cruising on French roads I tend to sit at an "affordable" speed, I highly recommend 68mph as this sits in the cheap speed ticket zone - in 16 years I have had 1 ticket (technically 2, as the Mrs was following me on my other KTM)

By turning 6th gear into 5th gear with sprocket changes you end up doing more gear changes, and burning more fuel / buzzing a lot more on motorways, if I lived in the Alps where 6th gear was rarely needed, or never did long motoray / dual cariegeway stints I would change gearing...

...well, probabl just change the bike to something smaller and lighter TBH.

The exception for me is two-up where a small change in gearing does help a lot more than when solo, but I never go two-up so not a consideration.
 
I have made up my mind, sticking with standard ratios, but going for D.I.D gold chain, supersprox sprockets front and back. Latter being Orange/Black.
 
Hi Ev

I've got original ratios with supersprox front & rear sprockets plus a DID X-ring gold chain - all components have been spot on.

I know what you mean about being in 6th gear at lower speeds; I simply don't use 6th until I'm at a higher speed that 'suits' the engine ;).

Oh....and mine is a 2015 SA-T so a little older than yours.
 


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