My Super Tenere Modifications Planned

[Ban_6]

what do you think of the winglets, much difference?

HUGE difference.....Been commuting through the city and i got to stand up its so hot ( i still gear up on the bike ) to get the breeze onto my face / body.

In the rain, you wont stay bone dry but you get A LOT more protection from raind and wind with the winglets and taller screen. Great for cruising too, worth the money. They're original yamaha spec. Doddle to fit and really good quality.

 

[illustratedman]

Cheers banzai

 

[Rasher]

In the rain, you wont stay bone dry but you get A LOT more protection from raind and wind with the winglets and taller screen.

I have the winglets and a Givi Airflow screen, find the weather protection very good

 

[Ban_6]

ok....havent done much since.

BUT...this week Im throwing on an Arrow muffler. I have the full system but I want to see how i get on with just the end can first. If I throw on the full system Ive been told I will need a power commander - they aint cheap !

Also, I have a Touratech engine guard on the way.

With stick up some pics along the way.

 

[Rasher]

ok....havent done much since.

BUT...this week Im throwing on an Arrow muffler. I have the full system but I want to see how i get on with just the end can first. If I throw on the full system Ive been told I will need a power commander - they aint cheap !

Also, I have a Touratech engine guard on the way.

With stick up some pics along the way.

The full system will cause it to surge badly at very low speed / loads (about 1700 - 2000rpm on a steady throttle) the cheapest fix is an ECU Re-flash which also removes fly by wire restrictions, this can be done to accommodate the full system and is much cheaper than a power commander setup, mine has the slightest surging at about 1900rpm now, but easy to ride around.

A dyno setup PC3 with O2 optimisers can sort fuelling perfectly but will not remove the restrictions in 1st - 3rd, and with setup time probably cost about twice as much as the Flash (£350 for ECU Flash)

Just fitting cans is OK without changing fuelling, but only gives another 2-3 BHP, the full system with Flash will add at least 10BHP and give more power right through the range with far freer breathing up top, mine is a completely different beast to stock



More power at 6k than the stocker flat out, and still 10BHP up on stocker 750rpm into the redline, stock mine felt like it was starting to run out of puff at 6.5k (you can see rate of power increase tailing here on the OE motor) now it pulls in a totally linear fashion right up to, and beyond the redline, maybe not as fast as latest WC GS in a straight line drag, but the low-mid range pull and part throttle response is awesome.

 

[Ban_6]

The full system will cause it to surge badly at very low speed / loads (about 1700 - 2000rpm on a steady throttle) the cheapest fix is an ECU Re-flash which also removes fly by wire restrictions, this can be done to accommodate the full system and is much cheaper than a power commander setup, mine has the slightest surging at about 1900rpm now, but easy to ride around.

A dyno setup PC3 with O2 optimisers can sort fuelling perfectly but will not remove the restrictions in 1st - 3rd, and with setup time probably cost about twice as much as the Flash (£350 for ECU Flash)

Just fitting cans is OK without changing fuelling, but only gives another 2-3 BHP, the full system with Flash will add at least 10BHP and give more power right through the range with far freer breathing up top, mine is a completely different beast to stock

More power at 6k than the stocker flat out, and still 10BHP up on stocker 750rpm into the redline, stock mine felt like it was starting to run out of puff at 6.5k (you can see rate of power increase tailing here on the OE motor) now it pulls in a totally linear fashion right up to, and beyond the redline, maybe not as fast as latest WC GS in a straight line drag, but the low-mid range pull and part throttle response is awesome.

thanks for the extensive reply....


Ive decided short term to go with the end can first to see how I get on.

I'm liking the way the power is increased and the change the ECU flash has made to the bike. Im a little apprehensive about flashing the stock ECU as after all, they're expensive buggers as it is and its a kind of once you mess with it, you can get it back to normal (?). Although 10bho is a lot. I know Im not after a fast bike,m but its hard to loft up with a full thank of juice

Intersting too from 6k to redline. The point regardinghr bike feeling flat up top but its just down low that has lots of ooph makes sense.

I will throw up a vid the weekend with the new pip and see how i go with it...

 

[Rasher]

I believe UCU-U will revert to stock if you want - don't think anyone on the planet has ever wanted to though!

More power everywhere, better part throttle response, smoother running and better mpg - why on earth would you want to put it back to the wheezing Euro3 compliant dogshit map it comes with?

 

[KevinW]

I believe UCU-U will revert to stock if you want

Is that the ECU flash by Off the Road?

More power everywhere...and better mpg

Aren't they mutually exclusive?

Kevin

 

[Rasher]

Is that the ECU flash by Off the Road?

No I used ECU Unleashed via Race Engineering, ride-in / ride-out and cheaper than off the road, also off the road will not flash for mods and advise fitting a Power Commander as well, plus I did not fancy posting my ECU all around Europe.

Aren't they mutually exclusive?

definitely not, I have had several bikes re-mapped over the years and all have been a bit better on fuel consumption, the OE setup is these days affected very badly by emission's laws that force engines to run extremely weak, I suspect bikes of 20 years ago would be melting pistons and valves if setup like this.

I also suspect loosing the Cat helps as it is effectively like having a spud jammed up your exhaust - hardly likely to help mpg.

Weak also does not always mean economical, I am no expert but believe a weak mixture is inefficient, so although there may be less fuel in each litre of air going into the engine, you need to put twice as much in to get the same power than if perhaps you had a mixture 50% richer, so overall the richer mixture is more efficient.

I also think that by having more power lower down you need to rev the engine less (probably same as above, I am running a richer mixture but using less revs)

I have definitely improved on mpg in all conditions, not by a huge amount, but noticeable (3-4 mpg) and this is backed up by how far I get on a tank, as well as the computer figures a mileage check backs this up, I used to get 165-175 to the fuel light and now get 175-190, and in the Alps last year managed to hit 200 miles without the light coming on whilst two-up.

Riding IAM style on free flowing A / B roads (i.e. smooth and within 10% of the speed limit) can see the bike manage up to 65mpg! but my normal consumption ranges from about 45 when chasing sportsbikes, up to about 55 Following the Mrs along country lanes.

 

[xylo66]

"....up to about 55 Following the Mrs along country lanes. "

I won't split on you next time I see her

 

[Ban_6]

I believe UCU-U will revert to stock if you want - don't think anyone on the planet has ever wanted to though!

More power everywhere, better part throttle response, smoother running and better mpg - why on earth would you want to put it back to the wheezing Euro3 compliant dogshit map it comes with?

I hear ya...

Sometimes i take a while to make a decision. I may just throw the full system on & get ecu flashed.

Yesterday i only put on the Arrow end can. Basically it feels like A mode is now sport mode & B mode feels more quicker. Definitely an improvement. Its louder too.

Be interesting too see how i get on.during the week.

The point you make re fuel consumption is a good one. Anything to get more mpg is a winner. Those figures re fuel consumption are great!

See pics. Can is used but got it at good price.

 

[Rasher]

All I can say is it is a good job the OE can is hidden or I would feel obliged to replace it, may start keeping an eye out on E-Bay for a used one.

 

[Ban_6]

Have you still got the OEM can on, OR have you an aftermarket ? Has to be the aftermarket with the figures your bike is getting..?

 

[Rasher]

Who, Me?

I have the OE can, the can makes very little difference to power, Arrow claim 2 BHP for a can and 9BHP for the system - so obviously most the restriction is in the headers (where the cats are)

The Dyno backs this up, I got 6BHP from just fitting the headers, the Flash added a few more BHP to the mix - but more importantly removed the restrictions in 1st - 3rd (about 25% more power at 40mph in third!) and gave far better part throttle response.

The can probably helps the sound out more than anything, mine is barely any louder than stock.

 

[streaky]

Who, Me?

I have the OE can, the can makes very little difference to power, Arrow claim 2 BHP for a can and 9BHP for the system - so obviously most the restriction is in the headers (where the cats are)

The Dyno backs this up, I got 6BHP from just fitting the headers, the Flash added a few more BHP to the mix - but more importantly removed the restrictions in 1st - 3rd (about 25% more power at 40mph in third!) and gave far better part throttle response.

The can probably helps the sound out more than anything, mine is barely any louder than stock.

Hi rasher , the first thing i done was the can ,And on its own it makes a big difference, So i went the whole hog arrow headers ,ECU reflash ,pc5,kn filter ,,Two of my mates have 1200 multis , and they cant believe the way mine goes, If you turn of traction control you cant keep the front wheel down under hard acceleration in 1st and 2nd

 

[Ban_6]

Who, Me?

I have the OE can, the can makes very little difference to power, Arrow claim 2 BHP for a can and 9BHP for the system - so obviously most the restriction is in the headers (where the cats are)

The Dyno backs this up, I got 6BHP from just fitting the headers, the Flash added a few more BHP to the mix - but more importantly removed the restrictions in 1st - 3rd (about 25% more power at 40mph in third!) and gave far better part throttle response.

The can probably helps the sound out more than anything, mine is barely any louder than stock.

yeah, directed at you.....

Interesting re the end can, when you say OE you mean the standard can ? When you say "barely louder than stock" what is your set up ? But whatever works for you right... What you reckon you're getting now just tipping about. Im getting 190 mls with half city / half cruising.

Hi rasher , the first thing i done was the can ,And on its own it makes a big difference, So i went the whole hog arrow headers ,ECU reflash ,pc5,kn filter ,,Two of my mates have 1200 multis , and they cant believe the way mine goes, If you turn of traction control you cant keep the front wheel down under hard acceleration in 1st and 2nd

I have the arrow end can, To behonest it makes a difference. As I said, mode A is now like sport miode with OEM can and B mode has more oomph and definitely shifts on a bit better. I noticed the fuel useage per litr / klm go up - very slightly.

I have access to the full system so I might just go ahead an purchase.

: Re the ECU flash, it all looks good. With what you and Rasher are reporting there is no reason not to get it, more power, lesser reatarded power in lower gears and improved mpg...

A mighty bike can getmore mighty !

 

[Rasher]

My mileages vary so much with the type of riding, but I did notice about 10-15 miles more per tank on an "average" fill-up, and I am pretty sure it is a shade better on fuel under all circumstances (or at least all of my riding profiles which are pretty varied)

Only ever had the Arrow headers on the bike, as they make much more difference than a can and cost a lot less it seemed a no brainer, not too bothered about extra noise and if I was worried about weight I would not have bought a bike in excess of 250kg and then started bolting loads of heavy accessories to it.

The fact the end can is hidden, won't add much power (compared to the @10BHP the Headers / Flash have already given) and a 2kg weight saving on a bike that is over 350kg with me sat on it does not warrant £400 IMO, although if a used arrow comes up at around half price I would probably grab it.

 

[Ban_6]

Tks man......I have noticed and extra few kms to me emptying the first fuel block on the dash..I havent changed the riding since I threw the exhaust on. I have filled it up and reset the trip so interested to see how I go. I reckon thecan will add more ms. The exhaust is loud, even with baffle, but it sounds great. The engine is behaving different for the better. I only wanted the exhaust to improve mpg and save a little weight. Yes its a big bike but without wanting something else, a few mods will be done.

I didnt realise the headers made such a difference, I doubt the shop i got the exhaust off will send the headers separate....


Will keep this updated as I go.

 

[Ban_6]

Slow progress...

got this front fender extender from ebay, v v good fit. I just glued it to the mudgaurd. The seller is called " blue bird engineeering " Bout £20 gbp.

Significant lenght in the rear of the mudguard now. Should make a big difference re water dissipation. I will know the weekend as its supposed to get v v wet.


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[neiljitsu]

What Mileage are you getting to the tank now? I'm after a s10 at the moment. Where did you pick up the top box? I'm in Dublin too.
I have a ktm smt at the moment but it's only managing 190km before the light goes on.