Nano ceramic coating

yofi said:
It's highly unlikely that the product that at the centre of this thread is any different to the tens of nano-coat products that have been on the market for many years. The differences in these products essentially come down to the amount and type of silica that's added to the product and which vary the product in terms of its 'harshness' protection and it's water dynamics properties. On the latter, the silica addition is either designed to be either hydro-phobic (270 degrees) or hydro-phillic (90 degrees), the former designed for body panels and the latter for wheels (to sheet or use water flow to wash brake dust away).

The amount of silica makes the product either harder or easier to apply (easier it is, the more you can avoid streaking as the product cures at a slow rate, i.e. more than a minute or so). It's also the case that silica compounds designed to provide a harshness layer will often not provide the water-repellent properties, hence kits will often come with a silica compound for the harshness layer, to be topped with a water-repellent compound.

Gyeon is acknowledged by the detaining fraternity, professional and amateur, to have some excellent products (not just ceramics), but are the many others such as gtechniq and carpro.

Most kits, depending on their mix, will cost around £50 to £90. Other than the properties you are choosing of the products what matters more is how they are applied, in terms of preparation of the surface, coverage, application (avoiding streaking vs ineffective application), and whether radiation heat was applied (if required).

£320 for a day's labour plus products seems fair to me. New car detailing will usually take two days (including a first stage polish) and cost around £550-600.

Guarantees usually require that the vehicle is returned for a maintenance cost of the top product. My experience is that whatever claims are made for products you can usually reduce that by 40-50%.

There are top-up sealant products you can use (e.g. Gyeon Cure) but my experience is that it won't prevent a natural degradation in the ceramic coat over time and that the best you can expect of even a professionally applied product is 30 months' observed effectiveness (i.e. beading).

For me, the use of ceramics on motorbikes is just an additional tool of protection. Unlike a car, there are just so many irregular surfaces and nooks and crannies that you can't cover, so ultimately your best protection is the regular use of acf50. And whilst I would pay to have a new car professionally protected, I wouldn't do so for a bike.

However, as I'm comfortable with using the products, I applied gtechniq crystal serum (harshness layer) and two coats of exov4 (repellency) to my TB, though confess it was done in the middle of winter, and so there were only so many surfaces I was going to fret over.
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Gyeon do make good products and I use a selected few from their range. I’ve used their ceramics and whilst good there are better out there. As you say normally you must put on multiple layers and the product doesn’t cover all surfaces. Ceramic coatings have come a long way and there is always new developments.

It’s therefore a no brainer to use a better product which is of a substantially better quality and grade to those available off the shelf.

I also like Gtechniq products but like Geyon even with all the layers using different ceramics for wheels, plastics and paintwork it’s still not as good, more expensive and doesn’t last as long. It’s also not heat resistant for exhausts etc.

ACF50 is a horrible product and ultimately diminishes the finish on the bike making it look tired and dirty, before it should just so it doesn’t corrode. It’s old tech.

Just like you protect a car you can now fully protect a bike. They offer the 10 year guarantee because after the extensive testing that’s the the point that they can assure the product for. It will last longer especially if you look after it but to prevent claims etc they went with 10 years to be safe. The guarantee goes with the vehicle unlike other manufacturers.

The coating is very tough and high in silica but also has excellent water beading and sheeting as well as leaving a great deep colour rich finish. It costs the wheels and works very well and lasts longer than the separate wheel coatings.

We charge £299 for new bikes and £350 for used bikes.

£399 for new cars and £450 for used.

Unlike others that includes coating inside and out, engine bay and wheels etc..

We charge extra for paint correction/ enhancement and ask the client what they are looking for to make sure the costs are kept within their budget and need.

I’m a biker and love everything about bikes. I wouldn’t use the product if I didn’t think it worthy. I have it on my bikes and it’s incredible. We have tested it on race bikes, off road bikes, military and police vehicles, blood bikes, IAM examiners and observes bikes (now being endorsed by the IAM and is a members benefit). I wanted to make sure this does what it says on the tin. So far so good. Supremecoat are real world testing and are up to 8+ years on the vehicles first coated with the original formula without issue. I’m continually getting updates from the vehicles I’ve coated. If it doesn’t last the time I’ll be the first to tell them!

Your are welcome to come and watch the process and look at the finish anytime. Seeing is believing!
 
malcopopolo said:
Hello,
Are you affiliated with an organisation called "Hilltop" by any chance:D
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No sorry I’m an independent vehicle detailing company. We have found a great product to protect vehicles over all the others I’ve tested. Trying to let people know there are really good options to protect your vehicle long term if you want to or care about your vehicle and investment. Not everyone is interested as their vehicles are just a tool which gets neglected. Others want to look after their pride and joys.

Come and see for yourself and make an informed decision.
 
Supershield Automotive said:
Gyeon do make good products and I use a selected few from their range. I’ve used their ceramics and whilst good there are better out there. As you say normally you must put on multiple layers and the product doesn’t cover all surfaces. Ceramic coatings have come a long way and there is always new developments.

It’s therefore a no brainer to use a better product which is of a substantially better quality and grade to those available off the shelf.

I also like Gtechniq products but like Geyon even with all the layers using different ceramics for wheels, plastics and paintwork it’s still not as good, more expensive and doesn’t last as long. It’s also not heat resistant for exhausts etc.

ACF50 is a horrible product and ultimately diminishes the finish on the bike making it look tired and dirty, before it should just so it doesn’t corrode. It’s old tech.

Just like you protect a car you can now fully protect a bike. They offer the 10 year guarantee because after the extensive testing that’s the the point that they can assure the product for. It will last longer especially if you look after it but to prevent claims etc they went with 10 years to be safe. The guarantee goes with the vehicle unlike other manufacturers.

The coating is very tough and high in silica but also has excellent water beading and sheeting as well as leaving a great deep colour rich finish. It costs the wheels and works very well and lasts longer than the separate wheel coatings.

We charge £299 for new bikes and £350 for used bikes.

£399 for new cars and £450 for used.

Unlike others that includes coating inside and out, engine bay and wheels etc..

We charge extra for paint correction/ enhancement and ask the client what they are looking for to make sure the costs are kept within their budget and need.

I’m a biker and love everything about bikes. I wouldn’t use the product if I didn’t think it worthy. I have it on my bikes and it’s incredible. We have tested it on race bikes, off road bikes, military and police vehicles, blood bikes, IAM examiners and observes bikes (now being endorsed by the IAM and is a members benefit). I wanted to make sure this does what it says on the tin. So far so good. Supremecoat are real world testing and are up to 8+ years on the vehicles first coated with the original formula without issue. I’m continually getting updates from the vehicles I’ve coated. If it doesn’t last the time I’ll be the first to tell them!

Your are welcome to come and watch the process and look at the finish anytime. Seeing is believing!
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I'd actually probably sign up on the dotted line if you weren't stuck out in Bromely :-)

p.s. you have made me think about being much more judicious about the use of acf50, which I had nonetheless to this point just used on hard to reach places.
 
yofi said:
I'd actually probably sign up on the dotted line if you weren't stuck out in Bromely :-)

p.s. you have made me think about being much more judicious about the use of acf50, which I had nonetheless to this point just used on hard to reach places.
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We are mobile! 😉 we are up in Sheffield for a week from 21st May with Richy Vida and taking Bookings. We do group bookings around the UK.

In all seriousness use a ceramic hybrid wax sealant instead of ACF on your bodywork, plastics and painted engine parts etc. Acf is ok for exhausts and bare metal parts but wash it off with citrus cleaners and tar removing sprays without touching it rather than rubbing it with a sponge. Meguiars hybrid ceramic wax works really well and lasts 3-6 months. It’s really resistant to chemicals and uv. Much better option than acf 50 etc. (There are loads of others and some good tests on YouTube)
 
I had my bike coated by supershield and the attention to detail is superb, it did take around 10 hrs, i have since covered many miles and the bike still looks like new and no stone chips.

As a comparison when i went on a trip to lands end my bike stayed so much cleaner than the others i went with, really worth the money in my opinion.

Pete
 
Supershield Automotive said:
We are mobile! we are up in Sheffield for a week from 21st May with Richy Vida and taking Bookings. We do group bookings around the UK.

In all seriousness use a ceramic hybrid wax sealant instead of ACF on your bodywork, plastics and painted engine parts etc. Acf is ok for exhausts and bare metal parts but wash it off with citrus cleaners and tar removing sprays without touching it rather than rubbing it with a sponge. Meguiars hybrid ceramic wax works really well and lasts 3-6 months. It’s really resistant to chemicals and uv. Much better option than acf 50 etc. (There are loads of others and some good tests on YouTube)
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A post above refers to a discount deal of some sort. Is this something you’ve offered in the past. I’m in two minds as the company that has cared my bike offers a ceramic coat Option at less cost but I don’t have the technical knowledge to compare like for like.
 
GedJack said:
Do you only operate out of London, or are you a national company?
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Hi, we are only based in the south but we do travel around the country and set up group bookings (when we are allowed to!)
Supremecoat are based in Sheffield and have a fitting centre there.

We are using their facilities from 21st May for a week and are taking bookings.

Where abouts are you?
 
Joe narvey said:
A post above refers to a discount deal of some sort. Is this something you’ve offered in the past. I’m in two minds as the company that has cared my bike offers a ceramic coat Option at less cost but I don’t have the technical knowledge to compare like for like.
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Hi, yes we offer discounts for Emergency services, Forces, IAM members and followers of Teapotone, highspeedtouring and Richy Vida. Also for group bookings and multiple vehicles.

Again you’ll need to know which ceramic they are using? Ask how much of the bike they cover and the life expectancy of the coating. Also ask for certification for its claims eg 9H scratch resistance. I would also ask what preparation they are going to do before the coating is applied. They should have a testing certificate if it’s any good. Most ceramics will only cover the paintwork. If they use something like avalon king it might cover the paint and plastics but then you’ll be lucky for it to last more than 2 years. Hardly any of them will coat the exhaust and callipers etc. Are they using multiple ceramics? Eg geyon or Gtechniq? Unlikely as they will need 4-5 different ceramic products to coat paint, plastics, wheels, leather etc. and the cost and time of application would mean it will cost a lot more and still not produce the same results.

Please do call me anytime and I’ll see what we can do for you or if you just want some advice on which ceramic to go for with someone else.

Kind regards,
Peter
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I am in the north west. Approximately 5 mins from junction 27. Me and a mate of mine would be interested.
Supershield Automotive said:
Hi, we are only based in the south but we do travel around the country and set up group bookings (when we are allowed to!)
Supremecoat are based in Sheffield and have a fitting centre there.

We are using their facilities from 21st May for a week and are taking bookings.

Where abouts are you?
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I am a little sceptical of this as my neighbour had his new GS1250 ceramic coated from new at the dealers at a cost of £300 on top of the sale price.
18 months later he says you cannot tell it has been done. He does use his bike all year round but in his words ‘It was a total waste of money’. He mentioned the ‘guarantee to the dealer on his last service and they said ‘It was subjective, it did look a little more shiny!’
I’m sure there are different standards of application/finish, but not for me.
Good to see/hear different views.
 
Neil12GS said:
I am a little sceptical of this as my neighbour had his new GS1250 ceramic coated from new at the dealers at a cost of £300 on top of the sale price.
18 months later he says you cannot tell it has been done. He does use his bike all year round but in his words ‘It was a total waste of money’. He mentioned the ‘guarantee to the dealer on his last service and they said ‘It was subjective, it did look a little more shiny!’
I’m sure there are different standards of application/finish, but not for me.
Good to see/hear different views.
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Neil, this is an age-old scenario in the car detailing world, and is the difference between getting a johnny at dealers applying low-grade products vs having it done at a dedicated specialist using quality products. I had my car done by a specialist and the results for the first 30 months were self-evident.

Where I doubt the claims made for these products is in their longevity. As I have said elsewhere, I would always only expect to get 40 to 50 percent of the stated lifetime from an applied product. But do they work when carried out by a specialist using quality products, yes, they undoubtedly do.
 
Neil12GS said:
I am a little sceptical of this as my neighbour had his new GS1250 ceramic coated from new at the dealers at a cost of £300 on top of the sale price.
18 months later he says you cannot tell it has been done. He does use his bike all year round but in his words ‘It was a total waste of money’. He mentioned the ‘guarantee to the dealer on his last service and they said ‘It was subjective, it did look a little more shiny!’
I’m sure there are different standards of application/finish, but not for me.
Good to see/hear different views.
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I had mine done when i purchased mine and was probably a waste of £300 quid.
 
The biggest element of the cost is labour

if it takes 8 hours @ £30 per hour... which is what you need if you have to cover overheads etc per person.

Think of it as a very detailed valet with some decent chemicals. So £300 ish sounds reasonable
 
If I needed my bike to be thoroughly cleaned (and I didn't have time or inclination to do it myself) I'd happily pay someone to spend 8 hours cleaning it. Just not sure I'd pay extra for a coating that seems surrounded in mystery, jargon, and lots of sales patter.

The response that a similar coating, undoubtedly accompanied by all the same sales pitch, wasn't worth the money is "I use a different and much better kind of nano ceramic coating." I very much doubt any of the purveyors sell their product on the basis that it isn't one of the good ones.

Personally, I think I'll wait for the new hyper-micro-nano ceramic coatings to come onto the market. Until then it'll be a sunny few hours on the drive, radio on, a bit of elbow grease and Autoglym for me.

In the meantime, if anyone wants to come and do half my car or bike, split right down the middle, so I can make a genuine and documented comparison of results, I'll consider it.
 
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