Nav 5 crazy routes haha

[steele01]

Hi everyone was out on the GSA yesterday in the peak district, got a bit lost on a route I'd put in after hitting optimise at the journey start, as it jumbled or I had jumbled what I'd done in base camp,

anyway it took me down some really crazy almost single track road width of the Gs proper steep but all loose gravel, woman at the bottom said they hadn't seen anyone down there for years lol it tried to do it again a few times later on when I just put go home in,

noticed its got avoid off road on,

any way to stop it going down roads like that as I think it would have had my old man off on his 750 if he'd been with me,

Thanks in advance,

Tom

 

[The Grey One]

I'd be interested to know if you Nav V was set to the motorcycle transportation mode (bike icon showing) I have had problems with my 390 doing very strange things in this setting. I actually ignored it as the suggested route was down farm tracks. Like you I have avoid unpaved roads ticked. Switching the device into Car mode has solved the problem for me.

Some have suggested that Basecamp may be sending other instructions when a route is downloaded. I don't use Basecamp as I find Mapsource works better so I can't see that as the solution

John

 

[steele01]

Hi mate yep was in bike mode and Curvy roads I got away with it tbh but that road was so horrendous haha, don't want a repeat of that again

 

[Wapping]

I am trying to decipher the OP's post. I stand correction, but as I see it:

(a) He created a route on his computer, which he was happy with

(b) He sent the route to his Navigator V

(c) He then asked the Navigator V to 'optimise' the route before he set-off, as it (the device) had somehow jumbled the route he'd created. Quite what 'optimise' means in this context I have no idea, see below

(d) He was, I assume, happy with the 'optimised' route, riding along it until he went 'off-route'. Whether this 'optimised' route was the same as the one he'd created on his computer is not clear.

(e) After going off-route, the route went haywire, suggesting some sort of recalculation. I assume the recalculation was an auto-recalculation or it might have been a voluntary prompted recalculation, taking him down goat tracks.

If the above is correct, then we are maybe looking at a whole bunch of possible causes. I'd start at the beginning by sorting out why the route he created on his computer (which he was probably happy with) then became jumbled, forcing him to 'optimise' it on his Nav V before setting off.

If I were a gambling man I would start by suggesting it's all down to the settings / preferences between or within his computer and the Nav V. Start by looking at those (see several recent threads) and see if, by ensuring that the settings on both your computer and the Nav V are the same - and for the purpose of this exercise only - set to a minimum. Turn off all the 'windy roads' nonsense, for starters. Does your computer created route now look normal on your Nav V and not require any 'optimisation' on your part?



PS 'Optimisation' is generally used when a series of waypoints are re-ordered by a device (or by software on a computer) into a logical order of travel, based on the preferences set. In your case it might mean something different.

PPS Having a device recalculate between points, when in 'windy roads' may well take you down gravel paths. You asked your to avoid 'Off-road' - which is by-and-large a calculation method that allows straight lines between points. Similarly, whilst you might regard a downhill gravel strewn road as off-road, the Garmin map may well just have it classified as a minor road and allow a route to be calculated down it, particularly if it sees it as 'windy'.

 

[steele01]

Hi mate sorry about that,

planned a route with post codes in base camp out of ABR mag, ordered them how it said in the mag, when it came over to the nav it was saying journey time 6 hours,

So clicked the
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thing in trip planner on the nav 5 and it had optimise route thinking this is where it might have gone wrong,

noticed say if Im out on the bike, and I click go home with the thumb wheel it will take me down some crazy roads did it the other day on me,

Ill check through all the settings just been reading the other posts whats the best maps to have them set to ? really appreciate the post

So is windy roads Useless to use then?

Cheers,

Tom

 

[The Grey One]

I suppose some might like the windy roads option, I don't use it. I prefer to make my own choices since these devices seem unable to differentiate between a reasonable riding road and a gravel strewn narrow lane with high hedges reducing visibility to an extent that it is a, no fun and b, very slow going.

But the OP's problem does not appear to be simply a setting issue. Why is the device sending him on gravel roads when he has avoid unpaved roads ticked? Even re ordering points along the route in an illogical order should not have that result. This is why I think it could be similar to the issue I had when I switched to the motorcycle travel mode on my 390. I had used the device successfully for thousands of miles of following my routes. Only when I thought to experiment by switching to the motorcycle mode did it do strange things. Since switching back it has returned to behaving as expected.

John

PS The best maps are the openstreemap ones!

 

[chrisjk]

As Wapping said, the Nav V - or more correctly the map in use on the device, might well have interpreted that road/track as simply a minor road - there are more than a few of these in Kent where some roads are transitioning into green lanes as the council has neglected to maintain them.

Has the OP looked at other maps to see what they say?

 

[steele01]

Cheers lads aye haha I was like 0.0 not what I was expecting in light road gear and Avon Trailriders, managed it mind had no option but to go all the way down it as it got narrow to the width of the bike joys

Ill have a look see if it does it again and keep it on faster route,

quick base camp question

plug the nav in and let it use the maps on my nav 5 the europe ones with extra detail but when I load the route on the nav 5 and look at the preview on it in trip planner looks all over the place,

Guessing that might be because its set to the base maps? what does everyone use

Massive thanks in advance,

Tom

 

[iand46]

Optimise = to make as effective, perfect, or useful as possible.
Recalculation?

 

[leedude03]

the op says he put the points (post codes) in in an order that the mag said, and it came back with a massive time, this was not to his liking, so he optomised said route, he does not say whether he then checked this on the pc or mac to see where it actualy went, if its set to windy roads this could as above post says take him almost anywhere including very small tracks, even though avoid off road is selected, we also dont know if his start point from home was included or if it was from the same point as in the mag, this could have caused no end of unknowns,

to your next question, about routes being all over the place. are the maps the same and are the settings on the unit and software the same.

do you only have the basemap on pc/mac

 

[steele01]

ahhh yep I bet thats what might have done it then didn't realise it would go down small tracks on windy roads,

put sparrow pit in as the start and end so it was a loop route,

 

[iand46]

If you were happy with your BaseCamp route you need to ensure it doesn't change on the device. As said probably due to unmatched settings.

 

[The Grey One]

Cheers lads aye haha I was like 0.0 not what I was expecting in light road gear and Avon Trailriders, managed it mind had no option but to go all the way down it as it got narrow to the width of the bike joys

Ill have a look see if it does it again and keep it on faster route,

quick base camp question

plug the nav in and let it use the maps on my nav 5 the europe ones with extra detail but when I load the route on the nav 5 and look at the preview on it in trip planner looks all over the place,

Guessing that might be because its set to the base maps? what does everyone use

Massive thanks in advance,

Tom

If your device is set to base map it will never work properly! The base map is of no real use, just tick the 2017.10 one. If you like the 3D view you can tick that version too

John

 

[leedude03]

John he says he has the full maping on the nav. Quote (plug the nav in and let it use the maps on my nav 5 the europe ones with extra detail) so maybe he has just the base map on the pc/mac. Or maybe only the basemap selected. or he maybe getting mixed up.

 

[The Grey One]

John he says he has the full maping on the nav. Quote (plug the nav in and let it use the maps on my nav 5 the europe ones with extra detail) so maybe he has just the base map on the pc/mac. Or maybe only the basemap selected. or he maybe getting mixed up.

I know that he says he has full mapping on the Nav V, I was just checking that he actually had the correct maps ticked. Does happen you know! Does sound like he didn't download the maps to his computer though.

John

 

[Wapping]

So, in short, a whole bunch of operator errors.

Postcodes, lifted from a third party (where they'd be in an order that made sense to the direction in which the third party rode the route, not necessarily to someone else who entered the route at another point) which are then re-ordered by a dumb - or really quite clever - device based on the operator's start point, as it was requested to do.

A predisposition to set a preference to 'windy roads' when calculating or in this case re-calculating routes, oblivious or unknowing as to what affect this will have.

Subsequent re-calculation at some point, again based on pre-set preferences.

A blind adherence to following a device generated route, even if the operator sees the roads to be unsuitable for a full blown Adventure motorcycle and frightening the locals in the process.

A steep learning curve, equal to that when man first poked his finger in a fire.

Glad it's all resolved with no blood spilt.

 

[steele01]

Cheers Lads

actually it started out brilliant really wide then steep then round a corner and oh sh*t haha couldn't turn it round was to steep back up or get the turn on it at that point was good to see how capable the bike is though more so than me got through it though,

Ill check all those settings and keep it on fastest then from now on

 

[leedude03]

I know that he says he has full mapping on the Nav V, I was just checking that he actually had the correct maps ticked. Does happen you know! Does sound like he didn't download the maps to his computer though.

John

Yep it does happen, and a lot, but the extra detail on the nav would not show if he didnt have at least some larger scale map selected whether it be an older version or newer

 

[The Grey One]

So, in short, a whole bunch of operator errors.

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A blind adherence to following a device generated route, even if the operator sees the roads to be unsuitable for a full blown Adventure motorcycle and frightening the locals in the process.

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This is not the first time you have posted such comments. Sadly for the rest of us we don't all share your ability to foresee how a road taken might degenerate further along. I am sure if the instructions were to turn onto a very narrow track the OP might have thought better of it. It is not always possible to know this however. Most of us have been caught out like this, where a perfectly decent road changes in an instant. This can happen after miles of good surface and then the choice is continue in the hope it will improve or backtrack for all those miles. This is not blindly following
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Such comments add nothing to the discussion and are hardly likely to endear yourself to the OP.



John

 

[Wapping]

Tough.