Shamone
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I wish Basecamp maps had the same visual impact of Google Maps/Tyre. They just look so 1990's.
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Nav V and straight lines..........??
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You can always put the ordnance survey 1:50000 overlay on to basecamp. How much better than that does it get ?
fredaroony
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https://www.myrouteapp.com/ works very well for creating routes and is a lot easier than Basecrap
Shamone
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Interesting. Does it cover Europe as this is where most of my planned trips are?
haditlowered
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http://www.motogoloco.com
They say - "A complete resource for motorcycle travel and touring, with route planner, accommodation directory and blogs."
i use it all the time - share routes or make them public, and import routes to the garmin is simple touch of the button via Garmin Express
They say - "A complete resource for motorcycle travel and touring, with route planner, accommodation directory and blogs."
i use it all the time - share routes or make them public, and import routes to the garmin is simple touch of the button via Garmin Express
Do ordinance survey cover Europe ?
As for looking so 1990s what difference does it make as most on here seem to be stuck in the 1970s when it comes to sat nav and technology
work a rounds are a complicated way of doing things when the dedicated software for the device does the job admirably. 3rd party software with workarounds and multiple imports etc can only lead to error IMO
The trick is to persevere with basecamp, read a few tutorials there are plenty kicking about on here and elsewhere. Folk can't be arsed and they just want things as they used to be in the olden days, heaven forbid we make technological advancement that means learning new stuff.
Just buy a map and throw the Nav 5 away its way too difficult.
Shamone
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Your making the assumption that I don't or can't use Basecamp which is wrong. I only commented on the maps looking dated.
I use it for all my trips but often start with Tyre as it's easier to identify scenic routes.
Tomcat
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Try using a paper road atlas from Michelin, 3" to the mile scale or thereabouts. You can immediately see the topography of an area. Avoid any roads that are orange edged in red, or red. Anything yellow or white edged in green is likely to be fun. Plot the route in Basecamp using the roads you can see in the atlas. You will need to zoom in to 1 mile or so in Basecamp to see the minor roads, hence the reason for the paper atlas which gives you your overview. You have to zoom in to see minor roads on any scalable digital maps from Google, OSM or whatever, so stick with Basecamp and it will all work. Saves buggering about trying to figure out why various other apps don't work as expected with your expensive Garmin.
MAPSOURCE
To me garmin should never have ditched this, very intuitive, I wont stop using it until it becomes impossible.
If you dont have it try downloading from here for free ( I havent tried this as Ive already got the software, would be interested if anyone wants to try it how you get on.)
http://www8.garmin.com/support/mappingsw.jsp
To me garmin should never have ditched this, very intuitive, I wont stop using it until it becomes impossible.
If you dont have it try downloading from here for free ( I havent tried this as Ive already got the software, would be interested if anyone wants to try it how you get on.)
http://www8.garmin.com/support/mappingsw.jsp
J biker
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Save a load of hassle and use; https://www.motogoloco.com/map/ ...so easy.
You will get loads of people saying Basecamp great, Tyre great etc. It depends on the version of Garmin sat nav (we tried with various Garmin in Spain last year on 3 different models..only one liked Tyre)
You will get loads of people saying Basecamp great, Tyre great etc. It depends on the version of Garmin sat nav (we tried with various Garmin in Spain last year on 3 different models..only one liked Tyre)
fredaroony
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That actually looks pretty good. I've had great luck with https://www.myrouteapp.com/ as it's similar but might give this a try as well.
The Grey One
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I don't think your link will work as it says it is an update and you need to have an older version already. Last time I downloaded Mapsource (bought a new laptop) I used thes site http://download.cnet.com/Garmin-MapSource/3000-20422_4-75123302.html
Hopefully it still works- just be careful you don't agree to download anything else at the same time
Garmin had to do something because Mapsource will not work on a Mac. When it first came out it was truly awful but has got better and now is usable provided you spend a fair bit of time learning its ways. I believe it works better on a Mac than a PC but I get this information from Mac users who are a bit evangelical when it comes to their choice of computer.
I find some of the comments about those of us who prefer to use Mapsource a little disturbing. It's a personal choice and, as far as I know, causes no harm to others. So why do some Basecamp advocates use derogatory terms to refer to us? Some of us don't share the rather touching belief that everything new must always be better than what went before. New and improved should also include easy to use otherwise there is little "improvement" It is not as if other routing software is so daunting is it, that's why there are so any alternatives suggested by the good folk on here.
I have always been what is termed an early adopter. I ran my small business from custom made software from the mid 1980's onwards, got my first mobile phone in 1988, my first SatNav in 2003. I have had versions of Basecamp on my computers since it first came out and keep it updated.
I agree that using 3rd party software and transferring to a Garmin can lead to problems but Mapsource is Garmin software. I use it now with two modern Garmins and have used it with hundreds of devices from the 2610 to Nav V.
Almost all problems with routes not working are down to folk not understanding how their devices work. Most people never read the manual and use the device just as it came out of the box. A significant proportion of the people for whom I downloaded routes did not know they had routing preferences let alone set them (sample size was well over 1,000 devices over 8 seasons in my biker hotel) It makes little difference if you use Basecamp or Mapsource, if a route is carefully constructed and downloaded to devices with the same setting there are few if any routing problems. Conversely if, for instance, the via points are placed in such a way as there are two or more obvious ways of joining them up you will get differences. In the same way if one device is set for avoid motorways and another is not then you can expect differences in the final route. This can be mitigated by putting in extra via points but on a route where the desired road is close to a motorway for a while this can mean a lot of via points are needed!
To sum up both systems work. Some are keen on one. Some on another. Both views are valid for the people concerned. Both views should be respected. This does not mean both sides should not put their case-why spoil the fun? But we don't need the unhelpful derogatory remarks from either camp.
John
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Hi Jon
I was in the same boat as you. Here's what I found:
Tyre, using Google maps, doesn't exactly correspond with the location of roads in the Garmin maps. On my old Zumo 660, exporting a route from Tyre would "snap" the Google waypoints to the Garmin roads, but on the Nav V that supports off-road, this method just exports the waypoints as co-ordinates. As the points don't map to roads, the Nav V doesn't see it as a proper route and hence shows straight lines.
I found two ways round this. One option is to export the route from Tyre as a GPX file, and then import the GPX into Basecamp. Basecamp then shows the same waypoints with straightlines as the Nav V does. If you double-click the route in Basecamp and then click Recalculate, it snaps the waypoints to the map and voila!, there's you're route just like the Tyre one. You then export to the Nav V from Basecamp and you're done. If you really don't want to use Basecamp, you can do the same thing on the Nav V but it's a bit convoluted. From Tyre, export the route straight to the Nav V. On the Nav V, use the Trip Planner app to import and then open the route. At this point, the route will be straight lines. The old 660 had a Recalculate button, but the Trip Planner has got rid of this. So what you do is change the routing option, say from Fastest Route to Curvy Roads. This causes a recalculation. Then switch back to Fastest Route, and it recalculates again, and this should then look like your original Tyre route.
Personally I still plan all my trips in Tyre, from one hour blasts to 2000-mile European trips. I then export to Basecamp and Recalculate in Basecamp. This way I can see exactly what route the Nav V will take. Sometimes it decides a slightly different route to Google, and this is good to know in advance. Once I can see that the duration and distance is similar to Tyre, and the route looks right, I then export to the Nav V. I've followed over 5000 miles of Tyre routes using this method and it's reliable.
Hope that helps.
fredaroony
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Are you exporting the GPX file as 1.0 or 1.1? It needs to be 1.0 for the Nav V or you get the straight lines you are talking about.
Bloody GPS....can get you into all sorts of trouble on here 
Would like to know why everything has to be planned, s'pose for some folk it has.... but i seem to have more fun when I don't plan it. I really don't want to know whats round every corner unless I'm looking for petrol or a hotel with a bar
Basecamp or Mapsource....who cares! their both shite....it begs the question are you programming it or is it programming you
Would like to know why everything has to be planned, s'pose for some folk it has.... but i seem to have more fun when I don't plan it. I really don't want to know whats round every corner unless I'm looking for petrol or a hotel with a bar
Basecamp or Mapsource....who cares! their both shite....it begs the question are you programming it or is it programming you
The Grey One
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Bloody GPS....can get you into all sorts of trouble on here
Would like to know why everything has to be planned, s'pose for some folk it has.... but i seem to have more fun when I don't plan it. I really don't want to know whats round every corner unless I'm looking for petrol or a hotel with a bar
Basecamp or Mapsource....who cares! their both shite....it begs the question are you programming it or is it programming you
Well I suppose if you are the sort of person who always does what he is told you might have a point. This might come as a shock but it is possible to ignore the device if you see an enticing road. I often do this but the great thing is, if I want to get back to my original route, the SatNav does it without fuss. Often, now I have a new area to explore, I will just ride where the fancy takes me. If I get lost I can press the "home" button and get directed towards familiar roads. This adds to my freedom as I never have to consider what would happen if I did get lost (even in the Cotswolds there are some remote places with little or no sign-age, we found some last week!)
Those of us who plan routes often do so exactly because we don't want a machine to tell us where to go. We tell it what roads to take. Just as, if we had a navigator with a map, we might point out our desired route.
You only become a slave to your SatNav if you allow yourself to.
John
It can be quite entertaining to put it in compass mode and just try to head a certain direction as close as the roads allow
The Grey One
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Not if you have Pilot Road 4 tyres! Amazing on tarmac, buttock clenching on gravel, as we found out in Romania last summer. Where I live now a lot of the smaller lanes are gravel strewn with grass up the centre I can see it would be fun with the right bike/tyre combination though.
John
Bloody GPS....can get you into all sorts of trouble on here
Would like to know why everything has to be planned, s'pose for some folk it has.... but i seem to have more fun when I don't plan it. I really don't want to know whats round every corner unless I'm looking for petrol or a hotel with a bar
Basecamp or Mapsource....who cares! their both shite....it begs the question are you programming it or is it programming you
For me i enjoy the planning and want to get the best out of my trip, I'm able to download recommended and must do roads online and have had some superb days riding as a result, possibly the biggest benefit is we used to waste a shitload of time finding hotels and getting out of cities each day, no longer, sat nav takes us right to the door, brilliant
It's because the route does not get recalc'd automatically when you import to the Trip Planner. Dunno why the Nav V does this, my old Zumo 550 recalc'd automatically as it imported routes from GPX files (because I had Auto Recalc switched on). Open the route in trip planner, change the routing from whatever it's set to after import (it will be whatever your device's preference is set to), change it to 'Off road', then change back to what you want. It should recalculate. Job done. Why change to off road first? Because it just sets it to straight pint to point; no waiting for recalc.
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