New 1250, can "Multifunction Indicator Lights" be coded out ?

[Bigcats]

I've been watching this thread with interest as I have the multifunction lights and am keen to make sure that I am safe but I'm not sure that I'm missing something or not? I haven't seen them first hand whilst out on the road as obviously I'm riding my bike and I don't think I've followed one with the multifunction lights however I always signal before braking (I had mirror, signal, brake, manouevre drilled into me) so I would hope the person behond has seen the indicator first and therefore knows my intention. I understand the brake light then will wash out the indicator to a degree, but the fact that the driver has had the indicator light brought to their attention first they then should be more aware of it still flashing

Thats assuming the driver is paying attention to you or even just paying attention.

and that is most likely the issue

 

[snerkler]

Thats assuming the driver is paying attention to you or even just paying attention.

and that is most likely the issue

Yeah I can see that, but then if they're not paying attention then they're unlikely to see you braking either, after all the brain is alerted by flashing lights more than constant ones

 

[Bigcats]

Yeah I can see that, but then if they're not paying attention then they're unlikely to see you braking either, after all the brain is alerted by flashing lights more than constant ones

But that is what they are saying...once you brake (and the driver now starts paying attention) they can't see you indicating because your brakes washout the indicator

I have a Denali single brake light in addition which is set to flash 3 times when I brake (its called California brake light in the settings of a Hex)

 

[snerkler]

But that is what they are saying...once you brake (and the driver now starts paying attention) they can't see you indicating because your brakes washout the indicator

I have a Denali single brake light in addition which is set to flash 3 times when I brake (its called California brake light in the settings of a Hex)

I think you've missed my point, what I was saying was if they're not paying attention they're not going to see either the indicator or brake light, however (in theory) they are more likely to see a flashing light than a constant one therefore if you indicate first (as you should do) you are more likely to get their attention.

 

[Bigcats]

I think you've missed my point, what I was saying was if they're not paying attention they're not going to see either the indicator or brake light, however (in theory) they are more likely to see a flashing light than a constant one therefore if you indicate first (as you should do) you are more likely to get their attention.

Again you're assuming they see the indicator

Yes people may indicate before braking but not all the time

Again you're assuming numerous things happen correctly every time...when reality says it doesn't

So why take the chance

But your bike and you can do as you wish

 

[RichardD]

I think the point is that the best lighting set will give other road users the best chance of tuning into your intentions. By totally separating the turn signal from the braking signal I think that is more likely than having a combined light.

I've fitted the Weiser wizards to my bike (a 2023 GS) and I'm convinced it has improved my safety. If that can be achieved via software, so much the better.

 

[snerkler]

Again you're assuming they see the indicator

Yes people may indicate before braking but not all the time

Again you're assuming numerous things happen correctly every time...when reality says it doesn't

So why take the chance

But your bike and you can do as you wish

But you're assuming they see the brake light, it's the same arguement

Don't get me wrong I don't think it's a perfect solution, but I do like the idea of having the extra lights on the bike and think overall it likely adds more visibility than it detracts. In an ideal world I'd have the permanent running lights but then have the bike 'disengage' the brake light on the side that is indicating, that way you still have two brake lights and one unobstructed indicator, however as that isn't an option (as far as I'm aware) I prefer the idea of having running lights. Obviously YMMV

 

[tw99]

Any chance you can post a photo of the settings page on the GS-911?

I have the Aux lights too, so want to make sure that they continue to work, while the indicators are no longer on as running lights, and only work as standard indicators.

Cheers.

I'm afraid I can't, because someone else did it for me. (I think he did mention there was some setting that could alter the fog/aux light behaviour, but I didn't want that.)

 

[nicholsonj2252]

I beta tested the GS-911 software and in particular coding out the multifunction indicators . Feedback from Hex Innovate and results from my own testing on 2022 1250 GSA were that you can’t code out the rear multifunction indicators only the front ones . If someone has been able to do this I would be very interested in how . This was only applicable to 2022 model year onwards , older bikes weren’t a problem


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[PWP]

I managed to work it out and have the front indicators sorted. Happier now with the bike.

 

[nicholsonj2252]

I managed to work it out and have the front indicators sorted. Happier now with the bike.

It's the rears I want to sort , fronts are easy

 

[PWP]

It's the rears I want to sort , fronts are easy

I didn't even bother with that. I just went with extra (brighter) lights at the back, which are clearer and work better.

 

[Hartley]

I've been watching this thread with interest as I have the multifunction lights and am keen to make sure that I am safe but I'm not sure that I'm missing something or not? I haven't seen them first hand whilst out on the road as obviously I'm riding my bike and I don't think I've followed one with the multifunction lights however I always signal before braking (I had mirror, signal, brake, manouevre drilled into me) so I would hope the person behond has seen the indicator first and therefore knows my intention. I understand the brake light then will wash out the indicator to a degree, but the fact that the driver has had the indicator light brought to their attention first they then should be more aware of it still flashing

Whilst I agree that the following driver/ rider should have had the indication brought to there attention before the brake lights are illuminated, we’re all human and missing it for a couple of seconds is whist focusing on something else is entirely possible.
How many times have we all seen a driver not see a big red fire engine with blue flashing lights.
I fail to see how a setup that washes out an indicator with a brake light is ever a good idea.
In this case I think the removal of the centre brake like on forthcoming models was the motivation for this set up.

 

[snerkler]

Whilst I agree that the following driver/ rider should have had the indication brought to there attention before the brake lights are illuminated, we’re all human and missing it for a couple of seconds is whist focusing on something else is entirely possible.
How many times have we all seen a driver not see a big red fire engine with blue flashing lights.
I fail to see how a setup that washes out an indicator with a brake light is ever a good idea.
In this case I think the removal of the centre brake like on forthcoming models was the motivation for this set up.

I never said it was a good idea, and I’d prefer to have it ‘disable’ the brake light on that side whilst the indicator is flashing like on the Weiser Technick ones, but I’m not entirely convinced it’s going to make a difference. If a driver’s not looking it’s not going to matter how many lights you have on the bike.

If they’re paying attention they will see my indicator before the brake light, if they’re not paying attention they will see neither.

 

[Hartley]

Maybe I should have worded my comment a little better, wasnt implying you said it was good idea.
My preference would also be that it cancelled out the brake light in the indicator whilst the turn signal was in use.
We see cars now that cancel out a running light whilst indicating

 

[bosnjo]

This is what happened to me on the road:
I was coming out of the corner on the mountain road, on my 2021 1250GS (I have normal indicators) and got to a fully stopped 1250GSA in the middle of the lain. There was a car coming from opposite direction but there was a big space between that stopped bike and the incoming car. So what would you do? Brake hard and stop behind that bike? Or just keep going and pass that bike that was stopped, as there was big space to do it?
It was a bright sunny summer day...
I decided to go on and pass the stopped bike...
Well, what happens is that the moment I was aligned with his rear wheel was the moment the car from the opposite direction has already passed and it was the moment GSA started to turn left. I swerved violently and the GSA rider also reacted quickly and stopped...
We both pulled over to talk. He asked why was I overtaking him while he was stopped in the lane indicating left and I said he was not indicating left. Well, the thing is, he WAS indicating left but as the road was slight downhill, he was hoding his brakes too. The brake light was on and on the bright sunny day there was no way to see the indicator. He even might used "indicator firs then brake" method but when I came out of the corner he was already stopped.
I still don't know today how we avoided accident but at the end, he was angry at his bike and not at me. He said he knew abot the problem but this was really bad situation and he was going to do something about it, no metter the cost.

 

[snerkler]

This is what happened to me on the road:
I was coming out of the corner on the mountain road, on my 2021 1250GS (I have normal indicators) and got to a fully stopped 1250GSA in the middle of the lain. There was a car coming from opposite direction but there was a big space between that stopped bike and the incoming car. So what would you do? Brake hard and stop behind that bike? Or just keep going and pass that bike that was stopped, as there was big space to do it?
It was a bright sunny summer day...
I decided to go on and pass the stopped bike...
Well, what happens is that the moment I was aligned with his rear wheel was the moment the car from the opposite direction has already passed and it was the moment GSA started to turn left. I swerved violently and the GSA rider also reacted quickly and stopped...
We both pulled over to talk. He asked why was I overtaking him while he was stopped in the lane indicating left and I said he was not indicating left. Well, the thing is, he WAS indicating left but as the road was slight downhill, he was hoding his brakes too. The brake light was on and on the bright sunny day there was no way to see the indicator. He even might used "indicator firs then brake" method but when I came out of the corner he was already stopped.
I still don't know today how we avoided accident but at the end, he was angry at his bike and not at me. He said he knew abot the problem but this was really bad situation and he was going to do something about it, no metter the cost.

Not a great situation for sure but I would have either stopped or passed on the right (had it been the same situation here in the UK obviously we'd be on the other side of the road so I would then have passed on the left, i.e. not towards the wrong side of the road). They should have been over towards the centre line if they were turning, and I would never over take towards the other side of the road, especially if there was a junction.

 

[john-g]

I beta tested the GS-911 software and in particular coding out the multifunction indicators . Feedback from Hex Innovate and results from my own testing on 2022 1250 GSA were that you can’t code out the rear multifunction indicators only the front ones . If someone has been able to do this I would be very interested in how . This was only applicable to 2022 model year onwards , older bikes weren’t a problem


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I have a '21 1250GS with the multi-function indicators and central rear Brake light.

Using the GS911 it has been possible to reconfigure both front and rear Indicators to only flash as Turn signals. The front indicators are now normally off and only flash Amber to indicate my turning.

At the back, the combined red brake and rear running light functions of the Indicators have been switched off. The central rear brake light has been reconfigured to act as both the Rear light and Brake light. All of this through software only.

The Indicators and central rear/brake light now act in the traditional way..

Note that you have to set the rear and stop functions of the multi-function lights to "0" intensity, as switching off is not a separate function.

 

[nicholsonj2252]

I have a '21 1250GS with the multi-function indicators and central rear Brake light.

Using the GS911 it has been possible to reconfigure both front and rear Indicators to only flash as Turn signals. The front indicators are now normally off and only flash Amber to indicate my turning.

At the back, the combined red brake and rear running light functions of the Indicators have been switched off. The central rear brake light has been reconfigured to act as both the Rear light and Brake light. All of this through software only.

The Indicators and central rear/brake light now act in the traditional way..

Note that you have to set the rear and stop functions of the multi-function lights to "0" intensity, as switching off is not a separate function.

Any chance you could provide a screenshot of your GS-911 settings ? I think it’s worked for you as yours is a 21 model , it’s 22 onwards that doesn’t work on the rears …..


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[john-g]

Hi,

Please see the attached GS911 Screenshots covering the settings I altered to get the Indicators working the way I wanted them. I have included one that covers Indicator cancellation just in case this helps. My GS was built September '21 so not sure if this takes it into '22 Build Spec.

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