New r1250 gs withheld

[Deleted account 191119001]

I do feel sorry for the OP who couldn't pick his bike up today because of a major brake recall and did have a panic on myself, I was due to pick up my new r1250 gs rally TE this morning and thought oh no bloody typical but went to pick it up anyway, on arrival I asked to see both the sales guy and the manager and queried the major brake recall, I was told there was no brake recall and my bike was ready to go, after about 45 mins of the guy going over everything about the bike with me I was on my way riding off into the prevailing storm that we have down here. I enjoyed the ride home on the bike ( which is my first GS ) and am with it as happy as a pig in shit. still feel very sorry for the guy who couldn't have his, as I would have been well pissed off.

Good for you and hope you are happy, however we cannot put into doubt the word of the man, because we all know different dealers have different answers and ways of treating the clients, some are through and very Pro, others just want the cash, and to get you out the door..........

 

[Steve.B]

Good for you and hope you are happy, however we cannot put into doubt the word of the man, because we all know different dealers have different answers and ways of treating the clients, some are through and very Pro, others just want the cash, and to get you out the door..........

I agree entirely, and certainly wasn't doubting anybody which is why I asked to speak to the sales guy and the manager and was happy with their reply, I know what you mean though after purchasing a Mercedes where I was fed enough bullshit to feed a whole mushroom farm.. the difficult bit is working out what is bullshit and whats the truth.

 

[casbar]

I run a medium size engineering company making machines for Agfa, Fuji, Kodak etc... one thing is sure, the price won't be more and it wasn't done for quality purposes was it?

I don't know and neither do you, so you are speculating. I have just spoke to my Dealer again, and they are one of the best and well respected in the South. There is no recall. So are hey bullshitting me

 

[Arsey]

No I haven’t seen that - but the KTM speed wobbles are well know, search the interweb, you will find hundreds of references going back years and it still continues - also check out 44 teeth website recent on track testing, the suspension is poor quality and causes weaves, they had to replace it with decent WP kit to stop the mid corner wallowing - not good for a supposed premium manufacturer. I won’t ever consider a KTM until they fix their budget suspension and weave/wobble issues.

Cue the raft of posts from the 1,000 mile a year brigade saying they they never have a problem.

You talk some shite.
Check your facts and find out that decent WP (owned by KTM) suspension is fitted as OE equipment on KTMs.

You’ve spent too long riding your mediocre journalist killer. Must be time to upgrade to a shit cam, when they fix the flaws and put them back on sale ?

 

[Warlord]

Sing along now

Here we come....
Cruisin' down the street....
We get the funniest looks from....
Everyone we meet....

Hayes, Hayes, are the Monkees....
And people say we monkey around....
But we're too busy leaking....
To slow anybody down....

 

[r1happy]

I spoke with someone who services and repairs suspension for his living. His view of WP suspension is that it is no where near the quality it was when it was independent.

 

[mikef]

No dealer will admit this is a major problem. One of the reasons I moved away from BMW was the shoulder shrugging and denial of well publicised issues by more than one dealer. If only they were just open and honest with their customers.

Very reminiscent of the loose spoke issue on 2018 GSAs. The service advisor at my dealer flatly refused to accept their was an issue and accused social media sites like this of deliberately spreading misinformation. It was only after a series of conversations with the service manager that they even looked at my bike. Eventually of course BMW did accept it as a warranty issue. I ended up with a new back wheel then and a new front wheel at its most recent service

You can be sure that BMW will eventually accept the 1250 Hayes brake issue as a problem and fix it but as you say why do owners have to go through this same old process of denial first. Never happened before, gov, first time I seen it. Yeah right

 

[Engineer]

Haven’t seen it? You replied directly to my post at the time, you daft twat!

Can’t remember every post a I’ve made.

 

[Engineer]

You talk some shite.
Check your facts and find out that decent WP (owned by KTM) suspension is fitted as OE equipment on KTMs.

You’ve spent too long riding your mediocre journalist killer. Must be time to upgrade to a shit cam, when they fix the flaws and put them back on sale ?

There are different grades of WP suspension, because KTM own WP they make a cheaper version for their bikes as standard and make the top end kit for racers and aftermarket upgrades.

 

[Nice 'n' Fat]

Pop up a link to the information there's a good chap !

 

[Rasher]

There are different grades of WP suspension, because KTM own WP they make a cheaper version for their bikes as standard and make the top end kit for racers and aftermarket upgrades.

And you think BMW fit the same stuff to their road bikes as they do to their works racers?

I have liked my KTM suspension compared to other bikes I have owned recently, in chronological order;

ZZR 1400 - Forks awful (re-worked by MCT) / Shock proper nasty cheap piece of shit (Changed for Ohlins)

2008 GS (MU Model) - Front Shock Awful / Rear shock reasonable solo, shit two-up (Replaced both with Wilburs)

2011 Super Tenere - Forks a bit harsh (reworked by MCT) / Rear shock OK solo, but useless two-up (Replaced with Wilburs)

2016 KTM 1190 Adventure - Forks a shade soft, but awesome on bumpy roads / Shock absolutely spot-on

2017 KTM 1090 Adventure - Forks spot on / rear shock spot-on

2018 KTM 1290 Adventure - New fangled Semi Active stuff, so far so good, I would prefer a better quality conventional units, but I guess most folks want the latest technology as everyone now seems to be going down this route with "premium" models.

So after 20 years of modifying the suspension of almost every bike I have owned I stopped with my first KTM, whilst in an ideal world I would maybe want them changed slightly for my own personal preference, but I have not felt the need to spend money on them.

On some models, like the 1290R and new 790R you do get pretty high spec units, certainly way above what other manufacturers fit to anything other than special edition machines, I think the same was true of some other models in the past.

My biggest gripe is not with how well the kit works, but the fact they (predominantly) use non-serviceable units, If they had the sense to make them serviceable they could open service workshops in their dealerships and make a few extra quid whilst giving the customer some extra value to KTM ownership.

So far none of our KTM's have been held up for "major issues" or had a single recall, none have gone into a death wobble or killed a Journo, on that basis I may buy yet another in future.

 

[Engineer]

Pop up a link to the information there's a good chap !

Been hunting for the video where Baron Von knobber and Hagan are discussing the bike on the sofa - haven’t found it yet BUT here is the text from one of their blogs referring to the issue with the standard suspension bike. Fagan was testing the £2500 track version of the suspension.



“Talking of control, power is nothing without it, and this bike’s USP has to be its suspension – I guess it should be for nearly £2,500. The stock arrangement is soft at the best of times and has a tendency to wallow in protest during track activity, regardless of set-up. A WP (what else?) competition cartridge kit and race-spec shock transform the 1290 from bucking ballbag to composed track scalpel. There’s none of this waiting for the bike to settle before committing to a corner and the aftermarket goodies only add to the telepathic steering. In general, it’s far more stable in every department.”

 

[Arsey]

There are different grades of WP suspension, because KTM own WP they make a cheaper version for their bikes as standard and make the top end kit for racers and aftermarket upgrades.

No shit, Sherlock.

The suspension on my 790R is streets ahead of the shite on your Journo Slayer !

 

[Engineer]

No shit, Sherlock.

The suspension on my 790R is streets ahead of the shite on your Journo Slayer !

Did a design fault cause the death of the journalist? Is that what you are saying? Yes or No?

 

[(RIP) Edvard Munch]

You wanna have a go on my Tracer 700 if'n you want poor supension

Still a great bike tho' sadly just sold to fund a new 1250

 

[Arsey]

Did a design fault cause the death of the journalist? Is that what you are saying? Yes or No?

BMW allegedly paid his widow a very large sum of money. Make your own conclusions...

 

[Engineer]

BMW allegedly paid his widow a very large sum of money. Make your own conclusions...

So you don’t have the confidence to commit yourself to that statement - I thought not.

 

[jags]

And you think BMW fit the same stuff to their road bikes as they do to their works racers?

I have liked my KTM suspension compared to other bikes I have owned recently, in chronological order;

ZZR 1400 - Forks awful (re-worked by MCT) / Shock proper nasty cheap piece of shit (Changed for Ohlins)

2008 GS (MU Model) - Front Shock Awful / Rear shock reasonable solo, shit two-up (Replaced both with Wilburs)

2011 Super Tenere - Forks a bit harsh (reworked by MCT) / Rear shock OK solo, but useless two-up (Replaced with Wilburs)

2016 KTM 1190 Adventure - Forks a shade soft, but awesome on bumpy roads / Shock absolutely spot-on

2017 KTM 1090 Adventure - Forks spot on / rear shock spot-on

2018 KTM 1290 Adventure - New fangled Semi Active stuff, so far so good, I would prefer a better quality conventional units, but I guess most folks want the latest technology as everyone now seems to be going down this route with "premium" models.

So after 20 years of modifying the suspension of almost every bike I have owned I stopped with my first KTM, whilst in an ideal world I would maybe want them changed slightly for my own personal preference, but I have not felt the need to spend money on them.

On some models, like the 1290R and new 790R you do get pretty high spec units, certainly way above what other manufacturers fit to anything other than special edition machines, I think the same was true of some other models in the past.

My biggest gripe is not with how well the kit works, but the fact they (predominantly) use non-serviceable units, If they had the sense to make them serviceable they could open service workshops in their dealerships and make a few extra quid whilst giving the customer some extra value to KTM ownership.

So far none of our KTM's have been held up for "major issues" or had a single recall, none have gone into a death wobble or killed a Journo, on that basis I may buy yet another in future.

well it's obviously not the bikes but your good self.

 

[Polygon]

BMW allegedly paid his widow a very large sum of money. Make your own conclusions...

Out of court settlements are usually made because they are cheaper/faster/easier/less embarrassing than a court battle.

No conclusion can be reliably drawn. That’s a large part of the point of a settlement.

It also wouldn’t have done much good to the reputation of the brand to be seen to try avoiding payment to a widow. Win or lose, they look bad for either having failing parts or denying a payment.

Edited words because it looked standoffish when I read it back.

 

[Arsey]

Out of court settlements are usually made because they are cheaper/faster/easier/less embarrassing than a court battle.

Does this mean there wasn’t a design flaw? No.
Does this mean there was a design flaw? No
Does this mean that The Fuse Tester hates the thought that his steed of choice could turn on him at any moment. Oh yes

Fixed.