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New Scottish ferry route
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or moved to the pub as it is about a fairytale!
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Don't make waves!
It’ll be interesting if they open the line in the winter months. The North Sea swell should prove a challenge to many…. “Will me steed go flyin’ along with me breakfast?”
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www.bbc.co.uk
Plans for Scottish ferry to mainland Europe scrapped
Forth Ports said it had doubts over the 'long-term viability' of the route between Rosyth and Dunkirk.
www.bbc.co.uk
Don't rush to buy a ticket
Plans for Scottish ferry to mainland Europe scrapped
Forth Ports said it had doubts over the 'long-term viability' of the route between Rosyth and Dunkirk.
shame but not a surprise in the current economic climate. Demand is lower on existing services to EU ports, with Brittany Ferries already announcing consolidation of routes.
This falls into the same category as me marrying Jennifer Lopez……..there’s a chance it might not happen?! 
It’s all a stop stop stop
Jim
www.bbc.co.uk
Jim
Plans for Scottish ferry to mainland Europe scrapped
Forth Ports said it had doubts over the 'long-term viability' of the route between Rosyth and Dunkirk.
www.bbc.co.uk
What.It’s all a stop stop stop
Jim
Plans for Scottish ferry to mainland Europe scrapped
Forth Ports said it had doubts over the 'long-term viability' of the route between Rosyth and Dunkirk.
Or not....?!
Sounding more and more like much vaunted proposals to re open the Newcastle to Norway route which closed because it was losing money hand over fist.
I am going to write to our North East mayor and suggest the investing of Billions into a route from Blyth to Zeebrugge, it will make things much easier for me when I use it once a year
I am going to write to our North East mayor and suggest the investing of Billions into a route from Blyth to Zeebrugge, it will make things much easier for me when I use it once a year
It was never going to be a viable route IMO….
I can't see what changed, after the failure of the Rosyth-Zeebrugge route, to make this proposal viable; convenient it may be but the bottom line is it's got to make money.....if it looks like it won't, its a non starter.
Sad but real life can be!
I wonder how much longer DFDS can avoid spending some cash on the boats running between Newcastle and Amsterdam?
Sad but real life can be!
I wonder how much longer DFDS can avoid spending some cash on the boats running between Newcastle and Amsterdam?
It’s purely down to the level of subsidy offered and who bags (and blags) the most. That’s the bit you’re not hearing in behind-the-scenes conversations.
Marginal players - as the Rosyth setup inevitably would be - rely enormously on the goodwill of a port operator for startup infrastructure; Forth Ports weren’t getting anything like what they want from it.
Exactly that..... The failure of the Rosyth - Zeebrugge run. That's why I was suprised that DFDS was thinking about it.
Only way they could make it viable was if they subsidised the potential low margins with the more lucrative Amsterdam or other routes. DFDS is a big company in the freight business as well.
The last point in your message is also very valid. As stated before the old tubs on that Newcastle leg are really past their sell by date in Maritime terms so having to replace both would be a big outlay OR they shift tonnage around....
Its a disappointment for those oooop north as it was an option to get easily to France albeit probably an expensive one.....
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I'm not into the ports side although subsidies to freight (Containers) are part of a published tariff scheme and based on tonnage of vessel calls and containers moved.
No clue on the ferry business or RoRo. Might be a bit of leverage between ports to get the ''tonnage' to call in one location rather than another.
Long gone are the days where we sat down with the Port Authority and hammered out a ''rebate'' deal with the top port guys. That became too ''back handed'' and was stopped in Rotterdam anyway. I remember having these discusions and it came down to your good relationship with the powers in the ports on what you got by way of port dues rebates.....
Carbon taxes may now be playing a big part. Even though Brittany Ferries have switched some boats to LPG and electric at huge costs (and of course sold the old boats which are still operating elsewhere so making a mockery of the whole thing) are paying £27m a year, rising to £40m a year, on carbon taxes.
That’s a lot for a company with £500m tirnover
That’s a lot for a company with £500m tirnover
they will probably buy or lease the Cotentin and Barfleur that are now surplus to the needs of Brittany Ferries. They seem to be at least a decade newer than the Seaways crates.
or sell them off in Asia.....
Cotentin operates on the Brittany Ferries route between Rosslare and Cherbourg.
not from next month when the Commodore Clipper takes over. The Clipper has been on the Le Havre-Portsmouth route but that route ends this month.
"The company will sell two vessels as part of the changes. The Poole–Cherbourg route served by the 1992-built BARFLEUR will close from November 2026, and the ship will be sold; a daily Portsmouth–Cherbourg service will operate in its place. The 2007-built COTENTIN, which runs Cherbourg–Rosslare, will also be sold, while that route continues with other vessels."
https://www.shippax.com/en/news/bri...wo-ships-and-close-routes-from-late-2026.aspx
Of the Clipper:
"In October 2026 it will move to the Cherbourg to Rosslare route"
Commodore Clipper - Wikipedia
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