New water proof zip from Gore Tex

[Mav]

No more double zips or velcro flaps

Many bike makes have already committed to using it inlcuding Klim, Rukka and Alpinstars. With BMW moving away from Gore tex it'll be interesting to see what they do about this.

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More info here: http://www.webbikeworld.com/Motorcycle-news/2009/gore-lockout/

 

[peterh]

With BMW moving away from Gore tex it'll be interesting to see what they do about this.

Already done it. The Streetguard 3 uses a single Riri waterproof zip on the jacket, as used in sailing gear and bodybags amongst others.

 

[Mav]

Already done it. The Streetguard 3 uses a single Riri waterproof zip on the jacket, as used in sailing gear and bodybags amongst others.

I never knew that - there's no reference to that in the catalogue

 

[mr_magicfingers]

I wonder what the burst strength is like compared to a toothed zip with a velcro flap over the top. It's not just about the waterproofness but also the strength under heavy impact such as when you come off the bike.

Hope jacket integrity wouldn't be compromised.

J.

 

[Mav]

I wonder what the burst strength is like compared to a toothed zip with a velcro flap over the top. It's not just about the waterproofness but also the strength under heavy impact such as when you come off the bike.

Hope jacket integrity wouldn't be compromised.

J.

I think Rukka have a pretty good safety reputation - I don't imagine they would be using it if it wasn't safe....

 

[BamBam]

Gore-tex works on the micro climate principle, if you are warmer than the external temp it works. If you are Colder you get wet simple.

Therefore it does not work with

1/Heated Bar Grips
2/ Heated seats

BMW get a lot of returns

 

[Wapping]

I wonder what the burst strength is like compared to a toothed zip with a velcro flap over the top. It's not just about the waterproofness but also the strength under heavy impact such as when you come off the bike.

Hope jacket integrity wouldn't be compromised.

J.

Maybe well over (or maybe under) your own burst strength, when you thunder into the road / tree / armco / another vehicle / telegraph pole / pavement edge (delete as appropriate) to create the heavy impact, I would guess.

The relative qualities of zip manufacture and integrity may well be your last dying thought. Though maybe your last worry, too.

 

[unhinged]

The Spidi Admiral used to have a waterproof dry suit zip. I had 3 before getting my money back as the zip leaked where it kinked across the knee and at the crotch.

 

[Fanum]

Maybe well over (or maybe under) your own burst strength, when you thunder into the road / tree / armco / another vehicle / telegraph pole / pavement edge (delete as appropriate) to create the heavy impact, I would guess.

The relative qualities of zip manufacture and integrity may well be your last dying thought. Though maybe your last worry, too.

It's a more valid point than your piss-take implies Richard, and one, I would hesitate to guess, that comes from someone who hasn't yet sat on a grassy verge after sliding down the road at 60mph, looking down at his damaged kit and thinking 'Fekkk, I'm glad that zip held or I'd be hamburger!"

It's not the 'burst' strength as you picked up on that matters.....you're right, an armco impact beats a body let alone a zip by a country mile.

It's the abrasion/being ripped open resistance that is so important......I've slid up the road on my front, out cold, at 50-ish, and the front zip held thank fekk (Rukka).

The one on the arm pocket that takes the armour insert didnt though, and the armour was worn through to within a few mm of its thickness...

This new zip, which looks to me like a heavy duty double Ziplock, sounds great, but I would also have a genuine concern about its strength under abrasion type conditions, and will certainly be looking at test reports and user comments before I commit the safety of my pure blue-veined unblemished body's epidermis to its tender care.

 

[Deleted Member I]

More excuse to buy a new suit

 

[Wapping]

It's a more valid point than your piss-take implies Richard, and one, I would hesitate to guess, that comes from someone who hasn't yet sat on a grassy verge after sliding down the road at 60mph, looking down at his damaged kit and thinking 'Fekkk, I'm glad that zip held or I'd be hamburger!"

It's not the 'burst' strength as you picked up on that matters.....you're right, an armco impact beats a body let alone a zip by a country mile.

It's the abrasion/being ripped open resistance that is so important......I've slid up the road on my front, out cold, at 50-ish, and the front zip held thank fekk (Rukka).

The one on the arm pocket that takes the armour insert didnt though, and the armour was worn through to within a few mm of its thickness...

This new zip, which looks to me like a heavy duty double Ziplock, sounds great, but I would also have a genuine concern about its strength under abrasion type conditions, and will certainly be looking at test reports and user comments before I commit the safety of my pure blue-veined unblemished body's epidermis to its tender care.

I couldn't agree with you more, Bill. But many people live in the misguided belief that their cordura / leather suits will keep them safe in all eventualities, just because it has a CE sticker on it.

They overlook the more painful reality that all the cordura, zips, cow hide and kevlar will not do one thing, when their body decelerates from (to use your example) 50 mph to zero in zip (pun intended) seconds, usually against something very large, extremely heavy or simply, sharp. All that energy has to go somewhere... 'Bang-squelch', uses up a bit, I guess

Concentrating on avoiding that life ending moment may well reduce the need to test the zip's (or the skin's) efficacy at all.

 

[Deleted Member I]

Concentrating on avoiding that life ending moment may well reduce the need to test the zip's (or the skin's) efficacy at all.

That's why the bike stays in the garage and I stay at home in front of the telly

Also it prevents the wheel stealing or pannier stealing situation highlighted in other threads recently.

 

[pj8332]

bet it doesnt work and will pop open. or will not do up / clasp correctly

sorry just looks like it isnt that good

pj

 

[chad]

bet it doesnt work and will pop open. or will not do up / clasp correctly

sorry just looks like it isnt that good

pj

a company with a reputation as good as gortex im thinking they would have given this a pretty good testing before releasing it to the general public.

 

[Wapping]

That's why the bike stays in the garage and I stay at home in front of the telly

Prevention is always better than cure.

 

[Steptoe]

bet it doesnt work and will pop open. or will not do up / clasp correctly

sorry just looks like it isnt that good

pj

I looked at pictures of the lunar landing module and thought the same thing.

 

[Gore_Motorbike_Support]

Message from the GORE-TEX® Support Team

Hi forum users,

my name is Peter. I work for the GORE-TEX® Support Team and would like to take this opportunity – even though we know that it might be a bit late – to give you and other users some advice and demonstrate improvements that we have made in regards to this product over the last few months.
Every GORE-TEX® Garment comes with a silicone oil marker. You will get this marker for free from your local dealer, if you don`t have one, yet. Please make sure to lubricate the rails with this marker regularly to make them run smooth and easy.
Moreover we are improving and testing the technology and design constantly since the introduction of the GORE® LOCKOUT™ Closure technology in the beginning of this year.
In case that yours is broken, you can return the product and get a new one free of charge from your dealer. Our partners have been informed about the known issues and are briefed to give you further support on this.
We hope that this has helped you and that you enjoy riding your motorcycle with our gear.

Best Regards,

Peter from the GORE-TEX® Support Team

 

[bowser]

I have the Klim adventure suit and the only thing that lets it down is the zip system, so much so that I would not recommend the suit to anyone else because of the zip system it is "shite" there is no other way to state it.
Unless you keep it lubed with silicone it sticks and wont close or open correctly, what other jacket requires the zip to be lubed on a regular basis? the only reason that gore provide the lube is after the damn things have gone into production they have realized that they are complete and utter shite and its a cobble together, the zips on the trousers pop open when crouching to say pack up a tent etc, the zip pull broke in less than a week, its a shame as is spoils what in every other respect is the best bit of bike kit I have ever worn.

However for me regardless of how good a piece of kit is I would never again buy anything with these closures on they are hopeless. Choice is yours but I would advise anyone to steer clear. Its a re-invention of the wheel for no good reason but I suspect it means that Gore can patent it, dry suit type zip is waterproof and more robust, the simple waterproof zip on my old revit jacket was always waterproof, it may not be as waterproof but at least it works and is maintenance free.

Rant over.

 

[mr_magicfingers]

Funny, I actually really like the zip on my Rukka Armas suit. Haven't had a problem with sticking, it's totally waterproof but the zip pull on mine did break, but then they've broken on most of my other bike jackets too, I just replaced it with a key ring.

Will find a dealer to pick up a zip pen from though, just to be safe.

 

[unhinged]

the only reason that gore provide the lube is after the damn things have gone into production they have realized that they are complete and utter shite and its a cobble together

All zips of this sort, not just the Gore ones, have to be lubed. It's not peculiar to them. The Spidi suit I had was the same and similarly rubbish too by the sounds if it.