No. It's definitely crap.

[Wapping]

I've had an issue with mine too.

Yesterday, we left Arras for the tunnel. We had planned to get there as early as possible and I had seen signs for Calais when I was in town the day before. So I knew the peage was close by.

So we started off along different roads and with no sign of getting on to the Peage route. I stopped after a while and yes it was on 'avoid toll roads', so I changed that and the saved setting was still for the fastest route.

We then came to the peage and joined it, following the signs for Calais. Despite the change, the Nav v1 tried to take me off the peage at every junction.

I've checked and saved fastest route setting and also unchecked all the options to avoid - and saved those too.

Never had any issue with my Nav 5.

Any chance you also had "avoid motorways" ticked?

John

Nope - checked that.

Ok, let's see if I can guess a possible cause or causes:

It's a simple A to B route. You start in (A) Arras, aiming for (B) Calais by the fastest route, which is - as you state - logically the A26 motorway (it's a toll road as they charge you - rip you off - to ride along it) near enough due north for 70 miles.

You ask the GPS device to give you the fastest A to B route, which it does, according to your settings. Unfortunately, you had set your device to avoid toll roads. So it dutifully did just that; leading to understandable operator frustration and confusion.

You realised (or discovered) your error and changed the setting to allow toll roads, maintaining the fastest route setting.

You then rode onto the A26 motorway but were then instructed to leave at every junction that came up thereafter.

I am guessing that what might have happened is:

(a) When you changed the setting to allow toll roads you perhaps did not recalculate the route you had created originally. You were therefore still possibly still running the original route which brings with it the original preference of avoiding toll roads buried within it.

(b) If you did recalculate the route or recreated it from scratch it's possible that when you imported it you maybe somehow imported the original (avoid toll roads) route and not the allow toll roads route

(c) Possibly, despite having allow toll roads/ fastest time now ticked and making a successful recalculation and re-import, you had also set your device to 'wiggly roads'. If so, then the device will allow you onto the A26 motorway / toll road (there being no wiggly roads around your current location to take) but then take you off again at each and every opportunity - at perhaps each junction thereafter - in order to dish you up the wiggly roads you asked the device to always seek.

Of the three, I am favouring (c) as a possibly strong contender. But hey, it's anyone's guess.



PS I believe that Garmin's preference settings must work on some sort of hierarchical basis. For example:

Most direct / fastest time are the two most important settings and will trump everything else

Avoiding things (toll roads, motorways, unmade roads, care share lanes, U-turns, seasonal closures, cable cars, border crossings, ferries, traffic etc etc) maybe next

Finding windy roads, next in line.... and so on....

Somewhere, mixed into this tidy hierarchical basis, is perhaps mixed in car mode, motorbike mode, walking, truck and for all I know pogo stick usage.

 

[Wapping]

Interesting that some folk are still chirping in with the old "user error" theory, yet more people are joining the thread with issues on the 6 that they never had on the 5.

You had plenty of issues with the V, not least plotting and then running routes of your own (and other people's) creation ....



PS Have you kept your bargain price VI or hurled it back to the dealership, receiving a huge financial recompense (or just an extra biscuit) by way of an apology? Or have you kept it, hiding in a dark cupboard whilst an all singing all dancing TomTom takes its place?

 

[Nutty]

You had plenty of issues with the V, not least plotting and then running routes of your own (and other people's) creation ....



PS Have you kept your bargain price VI or hurled it back to the dealership, receiving a huge financial recompense (or just an extra biscuit) by way of an apology? Or have you kept it, hiding in a dark cupboard whilst an all singing all dancing TomTom takes its place?

What issues did I have with the V?

I've still got this one, and will use it on the days when I've got 8 hours spare, to do 30 miles.

 

[Nutty]

denying even the possibility of what you call user error is not interesting , its rather pathetic. I have never said that operator malfunction is the only explanation but to close your mind to the possibility is less than helpfull.

John

Go and have a play with a Nav 6, then come back with your findings. Then I'll listen to you.

 

[Wapping]

I've still got this one, and will use it on the days when I've got 8 hours spare, to do 30 miles.

That's the spirit. You'll get to love it yet.

 

[Wapping]

Go and have a play with a Nav 6, then come back with your findings. Then I'll listen to you.

Yet somehow I managed to use a VI all the way from Calais to Hamburg, to Lubeck, to Stralsund, around Rugen island, to Berlin (right into the middle of the mighty city to my hotel's front door) to Dresden, to Passau, to Garmisch, to...... insert at will.... and back to Calais, all without one glitch.

Sometimes I think I must just be lucky.

 

[Bounce]

like Nutty on his adventures with Keith, this entire thread is heading all over the place.....

That's simply not true; our adventures are planned & executed with meticulous precision......even if they do change a bit

 

[Nutty]

Yet somehow I managed to use a VI all the way from Calais to Hamburg, to Lubeck, to Stralsund, around Rugen island, to Berlin (right into the middle of the mighty city to my hotel's front door) to Dresden, to Passau, to Garmisch, to...... insert at will.... and back to Calais, all without one glitch.

Sometimes I think I must just be lucky.

I'm sure you are, but seem to remember that even you reported some issues on here with your VI.

You've got to admit that it's a pretty big coincidence that quite a few people on here that have used Garmin and Nav 4's/ 5's are also reporting the same issues?

Edit - here it is http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php/454023-Routes-recalculating-of-their-own-volition-oddity

 

[Wapping]

I'm sure you are, but seem to remember that even you reported some issues on here with your VI.

Operator error, failing to understand that by ticking the 'automatically skip waypoints' new option, overrode instructions given to the device not to recalculate routes. I put my hand up to it.

The problem arose when we had a significant deviation (due to a road closure) from a pre-planned route before we reached the waypoint, a coffee stop betwixt leaving the Chunnel and a later waypoint for afternoon tea. Despite instructing the device not to recalculate (as I could navigate myself back onto the magenta route line by following the deviation signs) the device decided that I no longer wanted to visit the waypoint and dropped it, re-routing me to the next waypoint being the afternoon tea stop, miles away.

Now I understand it and now know how it works I can cope with it.

I didn't then call the device shite.... as I knew it wasn't, really.

 

[Hubcap]

Mix in that other owners decide to tell only half the story ( or change the pertinent details in their tale of woe quite remarkably as the thread develops) it's not surprising that some threads roll onto pages and pages......

Hands up to my changing tale of woe, that's aimed at me. In mitigation I did try to explain that I changed my tale of woe after another poster had clarified the waypoint and shaping point difference. I then realised that what I originally did was different to my earlier, less educated post. Then as somebody else pointed out, even Garmin seem to be confused about way , via and shaping points in the nav6 manual. What chance do I, a mere satnav virgin, used only to google maps, Co-Pilot, Waze and Tomtom app for iPhone have? (All of which have taken me where I told them to without fail or flummox).

 

[Nutty]

Operator error, failing to understand that by ticking the 'automatically skip waypoints' new option, overrode instructions given to the device not to recalculate routes. I put my hand up to it.

Now I understand it and now know how it works I can cope with it.

I didn't then call the device shite.... as I knew it wasn't, really.

Jolly good, but...

You've got to admit that it's a pretty big coincidence that quite a few people on here that have used Garmin and Nav 4's/ 5's are also reporting the same issues?

 

[DottyDog]

Why is Wapping always so defensive about Basecamp and the Nav devices .......stir......


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[Wapping]

That's simply not true; our adventures are planned & executed with meticulous precision......even if they do change a bit

You Adventure pirates *, you.


* That's auto-correct for pie-eaters.

 

[Wapping]

Why is Wapping always so defensive about Basecamp and the Nav devices .......stir......

Why shouldn't I be if I find Garmin devices, BaseCamp and Mapsource all pretty reliable, easy to use etc etc etc? If my satisfaction of using them brings a little bit of knowledge with it to help others find a solution to their problems, then so much the better; I can share the joy, bikermate style.

Of course I could just ignore the entire section and leave bods to swim in their pools of misery, sometimes self-induced by accidental misuse but sometimes through wilful stupidity or obstinacy. Take your pick which.

Now, what's your answer(s) to the various conundrums and problems appearing in this thread? Or is it all a shite product, as the thread's title suggests?

PS Learn to turn off 'Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk' (as nobody cares) and that emoji choices do not always work.

 

[Wapping]

Hands up to my changing tale of woe, that's aimed at me. In mitigation I did try to explain that I changed my tale of woe after another poster had clarified the waypoint and shaping point difference. I then realised that what I originally did was different to my earlier, less educated post. Then as somebody else pointed out, even Garmin seem to be confused about way , via and shaping points in the nav6 manual. What chance do I, a mere satnav virgin, used only to google maps, Co-Pilot, Waze and Tomtom app for iPhone have? (All of which have taken me where I told them to without fail or flummox).

Give up with Garmin; it's the best and easiest answer to all your problems; it really is a pile of shite in some hands.

You'll sell your device, no problem. Sadly not on here as you are not a site subscriber but Ebay will do it.

 

[Hubcap]

a good craftsman never blames his tools...

Anyway what is specifically to blame about the way the new 6 works over older versions?

Slightly off topic but on a similar theme, being an old dinasour I never trust sat navs and always think I know best so I take/waste time seeing where it intends to take me looking to avoid that route through the city when the ring road would be quicker or the opposite when going west through Ledbury etc.. and on many regular routes I'll look to perfect the back doubles.

Now in my office of youngsters many commute using Wazes and that has shown when I question them on routes taken to be nearly as smart as me!

A good craftsman has good tools though.

 

[Wapping]

A good craftsman has good tools though.

There are some right tools in this thread, that's a certainty.

 

[Hubcap]

Give up with Garmin; it's the best and easiest answer to all your problems; it really is a pile of shite in some hands.

You'll sell your device, no problem. Sadly not on here as you are not a site subscriber but Ebay will do it.

Well sadly my conclusion is that if you are a highly experienced Garmin user who has had years of learning, then you are likely to get on with the Nav6.

If however you are just an ordinary bloke like me (who happens to have started and run a software development company for 18 years, so I can handle tech), you are faced with what appears to be a mountain of unending settings (which in different combinations present even more challenges) and specialist knowledge to learn and then try to remember whilst out on the road, trying to get from A to B via C,D and E etc., it's a nightmare.
Compare and contrast with the phone options which just do what they say on the tin. And lets face it, most users are not going to be using their Nav6s at sea or in the middle of a desert, good though it is to know that I could if I wanted to. (i'd probably die though as I haven't had decades of learning)

I'm not knocking some of the advice on here. A lot of it has been very helpful, better even than Garmin's escalated support. But the response 'are you sure it's not User Error' at times is very annoying, because it doesn't help.

I was going to say 'if only there was a user manual that covered all the knowledge some of you have acquired' but then I realised it would be like War & Peace.

 

[Sleepy]

Hubcap.. get yourself a nice Zumo 550 or a 660, simple, effective and accurate..

 

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Hubcap.. get yourself a nice Zumo 550 or a 660, simple, effective and accurate..

Or a map