No spark - stick type primary coil failure?

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I recently bought 2003 1150GS twin spark 20k. It’s ok but didn't feel as powerful as I'd expected (but then my other bike's a Vmax!). Basically there's a drop off in acceleration at max load (typically noticeable at +4500rpm in 5th gear) and a hesitancy through the 3500rpm range. After being side tracked establishing the fuel pressure is ok I've now found the top suspect - poor & nil spark of both primary spark plugs, possibly due to failed stick type coils (they look swollen with corrosion).

Replacements are a bit pricey especially if it turns out to be some other component, is this a common problem, anyone else been here before. I know the obvious thing is to book it in to BMW and have their computer thingy check it out but there's a longer waiting list than there is to get a hip replaced and I assume I'll be fleeced for a gazillion quid the minute my bike disappears into the workshop. So:

1. If you've got a twin spark with the above symptoms, suspect the primary spark/s have failed.

2. Is this a common problem, if so can I safely assume new stick coils will solve it.

3. If I mortgage the house and buy new coils (obviously buy just 1 at first and check that I get a good spark back), have BMW changed their design, or will I have to replace the replacements in 3yrs time.

4. Is this typically shoddy BMW engineering, or a 1off hiccup?

5. I did consider routing the secondary plugs HT leads onto the primary plugs as a get around and just having a standard single central spark head, anyone done this?

many thanks in anticipation for your constructive answers

peps

ps, If anyone lives near Swindon and would let me try out their good HT cap/coil to confirm me suspicions, please pm me.
 
Just to answer my own post and as info for anyone else with a similar problem.

I bought new stick coils (£110), all's now as it should be with plenty of smooth power and hopefully more mpg. New items look similar but have a grey plastic top (possibly indicating a different design/supplier). I've coated them with copper crest grease to keep the water out, if they fail again I'll be fitting a conventional coil and HT lead as a replacement!

Cheers all
 
Hi Peps

It does seem this is quite a common problem. I recently had to get one of mine replaced while on a trip abroad. If you go back a page, you'll find my thread. Mine's also a 2003 twin spark bike but it seems that older bikes can have the same thing happen. Years of owning and working on Japanese fours didn't really prepare me for this. You wouldn't normally expect a coil to go after 4 years. Something B.M.W. need to sort out I think if they haven't already.
 
Mine's also a 2003 twin spark bike but it seems that older bikes can have the same thing happen. .

it's only the twin spark bikes that have a plugcap/coil all in one.

The older bikes have the usual trouble free coil.
 
I agree, seems BMW made a poor choice in using the stick coil, inside of very cylinder head seems the worst environment for an electrical component to have to work in.

To be fair to BM, I think (hope) the replacements I've just bought are a different design (grey topped), they have changed part numbers since the 2003 production and are apparently covered by a 2 yr warrantee. Time will tell!
 
I agree, seems BMW made a poor choice in using the stick coil, inside of very cylinder head seems the worst environment for an electrical component to have to work in.

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Most modern cars now use the same capcoils - Find a suitable replacement for a lot less money.
 
Ditto.Ditto.Ditto.
Same happened to me onmy 03 1150. I was suffering a lot of backfiring and as it was due for its 30k service they replaced the said stickcoils with the new designed ones which were rubberised (IIRC) but at a cost as you've found out.
CW's who did the work said one of the coils had practically no spark and the other only 50%. They gave me the old ones as mementos and they were seriously corroded.
Yet another expensive bill and lesson courtesy of BMW. Simple to avoid - costly to reslove.

Steve
 


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