Not Such a nice guy !
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Daisy Duke
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Oh excusey you seem to have quoted the incorrect amount, that is for a BRAND NEW switch when in fact if it was going to be one at all should it not have been a second hand one.
Here ya go, no thanks required
Big YellowTaxi
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Is there an award for most boring post of the year? If so I think we have a strong contender already
Many thanks for the nomination................
Having never ever won anything I would be delighted to win this...........
Can we get voting buttons!
Shit happens. The switch failed by chance when it was not with the owner.
It's not a game of pass the parcel. Suck it up and replace it yourself.
Daisy, well put
Philip, I have no doubt that you feel passionately about this, but you have done yourself no favours. Have a pint and scratch this one down to just life
To get this wound up will be the death of yee.
Shit happens. The switch failed by chance when it was not with the owner.
It's not a game of pass the parcel. Suck it up and replace it yourself.
Daisy, well put
Philip, I have no doubt that you feel passionately about this, but you have done yourself no favours. Have a pint and scratch this one down to just life
To get this wound up will be the death of yee.
The indicator switch broke on my loan bike while a customer was riding it.
Who replaces it ?
The indicator switch broke on a customers bike while i was riding it.
Who replaces it ?
If i give my vehicle to someone making a living fixing it i'd expect no more than to have it returned in the same condition than i'd left it, bar the work carried out and the reason i handed it over in the first place..
Who replaces it ?
The indicator switch broke on a customers bike while i was riding it.
Who replaces it ?
If i give my vehicle to someone making a living fixing it i'd expect no more than to have it returned in the same condition than i'd left it, bar the work carried out and the reason i handed it over in the first place..
I've been amazed to read Posts from a Bloke who has made more than several "Piss Take" offers on Watches and other items in the "For Sale" Section ,presumably to save a few Euros.
I am equally amazed that the same Bloke can expect Brand New replacements for Broken,Old, Failed Components.
I am equally amazed that the same Bloke can expect Brand New replacements for Broken,Old, Failed Components.
Fanum
Toubab
I have little doubt that if asked to directly, Dr Farkoff could provide many photos of the work he has done on Mr Civil's motorcycle.........I am also in little doubt that the amount of work, the number of hours spent doing that work and the quality of work done on said bike is rather dis-proportionate to the amount that was charged to Mr Civil in labour.....maybe on one side, maybe the other.
I wonder if Mr Civil would like to take it down that route more than Dr Farkoff?
Perhaps an open an honest accounting of all that has been done would be a way of showing who is ultimately out of pocket in this?
As someone who works directly in a business involved in repairing and renovating the 4 wheeled equivalent of Mr Civil's motorcycle, I would be happy to bet the cost of a replacement switch on the outcome of the tosser's opinion of the above, should both parties decide to go down this route
In fact, fuck that....I'll buy a brand new bloody switch if the decision goes that way
I wonder if Mr Civil would like to take it down that route more than Dr Farkoff?
Perhaps an open an honest accounting of all that has been done would be a way of showing who is ultimately out of pocket in this?
As someone who works directly in a business involved in repairing and renovating the 4 wheeled equivalent of Mr Civil's motorcycle, I would be happy to bet the cost of a replacement switch on the outcome of the tosser's opinion of the above, should both parties decide to go down this route
In fact, fuck that....I'll buy a brand new bloody switch if the decision goes that way
Dont know either of the two people in question.
Airing a problem here that should and could have been dealt with in person, is a bit silly. From what I have read, Daisy is spot on.
No one could account for the condition of all parts and components on anything without an inspection of all parts and since that is pretty impractical, it wont happen. How many times do we hand in bikes/cars to have work on them and dont factor in that work may be needed that we hadnt planned for?
Short of having a signed agreement on the condition of all parts/motorcycle prior to handing it in for work, you have no come back.
Parts fails of natural age as well and being able to prove that in this case would be difficult.
If it was my bike, paying the part cost would be accepted and I would be glad to have had it fitted, I most certainly wouldnt be arguing about it on here.
However I would be leaning my sympathy towards Mr. F even though I dont have a sympathetic bone in my body when it comes to right and wrong
Airing a problem here that should and could have been dealt with in person, is a bit silly. From what I have read, Daisy is spot on.
No one could account for the condition of all parts and components on anything without an inspection of all parts and since that is pretty impractical, it wont happen. How many times do we hand in bikes/cars to have work on them and dont factor in that work may be needed that we hadnt planned for?
Short of having a signed agreement on the condition of all parts/motorcycle prior to handing it in for work, you have no come back.
Parts fails of natural age as well and being able to prove that in this case would be difficult.
If it was my bike, paying the part cost would be accepted and I would be glad to have had it fitted, I most certainly wouldnt be arguing about it on here.
However I would be leaning my sympathy towards Mr. F even though I dont have a sympathetic bone in my body when it comes to right and wrong
The Foolish Fellow
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QUOTE. I have little doubt that if asked to directly, Dr Farkoff could provide many photos of the work he has done on Mr Civil's motorcycle.........I am also in little doubt that the amount of work, the number of hours spent doing that work and the quality of work done on said bike is rather dis-proportionate to the amount that was charged to Mr Civil in labour.....maybe on one side, maybe the other.
I wonder if Mr Civil would like to take it down that route more than Dr Farkoff?
Perhaps an open an honest accounting of all that has been done would be a way of showing who is ultimately out of pocket in this?QUOTE
He seems well enough paid for the job and an hourly rate of 22.50 euro .
Including detailed billing for wheeling the bike in from a van . The bill amounted to over 1000.00euro the work was supposedly being done between normal more urgent work. This is not a small amount of money .
The repair cost is totally not a consideration in this dispute. It would be the same thing if the bike was left in to get a puncture fixed at a tenner.
I did post a direct question as to whether he did actually break the switch . As yet I have not received an answer
I wonder if Mr Civil would like to take it down that route more than Dr Farkoff?
Perhaps an open an honest accounting of all that has been done would be a way of showing who is ultimately out of pocket in this?QUOTE
He seems well enough paid for the job and an hourly rate of 22.50 euro .
Including detailed billing for wheeling the bike in from a van . The bill amounted to over 1000.00euro the work was supposedly being done between normal more urgent work. This is not a small amount of money .
The repair cost is totally not a consideration in this dispute. It would be the same thing if the bike was left in to get a puncture fixed at a tenner.
I did post a direct question as to whether he did actually break the switch . As yet I have not received an answer
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Integrity is a scarce commidity these days!
Firstly £30 - £40 is a lowly sum to bring someones integrity into question over, particularly when the complainant is a known business advertiser on this forumn. Secondly, there is always small claims (aptly named petty session) court to make your argument in (not sure you would want to go this route given your financial contraints. Thirdly, if it is the case that the services offered were so below what was expected, how come you were led down the garden path in leaving your beloved with them in the first place??
Without making a personal judgement, perhaps "drivel one" would be more apt than "civil one".
Firstly £30 - £40 is a lowly sum to bring someones integrity into question over, particularly when the complainant is a known business advertiser on this forumn. Secondly, there is always small claims (aptly named petty session) court to make your argument in (not sure you would want to go this route given your financial contraints. Thirdly, if it is the case that the services offered were so below what was expected, how come you were led down the garden path in leaving your beloved with them in the first place??
Without making a personal judgement, perhaps "drivel one" would be more apt than "civil one".
Fanum
Toubab
I suspect that you were attempting to quote me, so I'll respond to that.
I have no axe to grind here whatsoever.......Beyond a few PMs over the years, I've never met Dr Farkoff, but I have met Mr Civil and Billie, and enjoyed their company, as I hope to do again in the future.
Having said that, (and I admit that I have no idea of the labour rates over there) I have followed Dr F's posts and technical advice, some of which he has been kind enough to throw my way, and I respect him as a mechanic from what he's said......
If he's been charging 22 and a half euros an hour for what seems to me to be justified as being called his 'expertise', then either he's seriously undercharging or your economy is utterly fucked.
I know from long experience that xx.00 euros per hour equates to a real sum of about 3/4 (or less even) of that, given the time to actually deal with the dirt, scraping off old gasket material, cleaning of tools, working out exactly what the problem really is and the sheer shittyness of working on an old vehicle like a cheap airhead or a tatty but loved land rover..
If that's the case, then Mr Civil has had a right fucking bargain out of DR F in my humble opinion
Like I said though, I have no axe to grind here, I'm just expressing an honest opinion, and one I'd bet money on being right.
I don't know the full in's and out's of the dispute, but the longer this thread is alive, then I think you've hit the target.
jeasus 5 pages. seems have grown legs.
ring motorworks or even ring cityspares they have broken few bmw's.
switch failed and he told you. i would be annoyed more that it happened than who actually did it and that i have buy new part.
yes its a right pain but if shoe was on my foot, i be more annoyed about this being disscussed by the mech on one thread someone else on another one.
fix the switch, ride it and remember that on here is where lot help is give and even when we feel or know we are right sometimes not worth the hassel. trust me i am a stubborn fooker at best times.....
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now that remember my left switch gear was broken over xmas by another person....my brotherinlaw droppedload timber down and failed to tell me he did it. little fecker. felt like reaming him new one but waited till had re floored my house for free
ring motorworks or even ring cityspares they have broken few bmw's.
switch failed and he told you. i would be annoyed more that it happened than who actually did it and that i have buy new part.
yes its a right pain but if shoe was on my foot, i be more annoyed about this being disscussed by the mech on one thread someone else on another one.
fix the switch, ride it and remember that on here is where lot help is give and even when we feel or know we are right sometimes not worth the hassel. trust me i am a stubborn fooker at best times.....
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now that remember my left switch gear was broken over xmas by another person....my brotherinlaw droppedload timber down and failed to tell me he did it. little fecker. felt like reaming him new one but waited till had re floored my house for free
I am told that Joe Duffy, the BMW main dealer in Dublin charges approx €100 per hour. Why not take your bike to him next time?
If a switch broke whilst he was working on it, there would be a new one fitted. And you would have to pay for it and the labour!
You are looking a gift horse in the mouth Civil, and looking pretty foolish into the bargain.
If a switch broke whilst he was working on it, there would be a new one fitted. And you would have to pay for it and the labour!
You are looking a gift horse in the mouth Civil, and looking pretty foolish into the bargain.
Davy F
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That would be the same bloke who offered stupid money to my mate for his BMW who told same bloke he'd set fire to it and watch it burn before he'd sell it to same bloke.
Seems to be a pattern in same blokes life, eh ?
KILL THE FRIGGIN THREAD !
I don't think any of Civil's deals with others should be brought into this, besides, how many people could he have possibly pissed off on this site ? He's made a mistake and will probably lose more through this thread and what it's done to his reputation than he could have possibly gained from DrFaroff which proves to my mind that he wasn't being malicious.
I do think Jay is probably a nice guy, I've never met him so my opinion is based mostly on this thread.
I don't think any of Civil's deals with others should be brought into this, besides, how many people could he have possibly pissed off on this site ? He's made a mistake and will probably lose more through this thread and what it's done to his reputation than he could have possibly gained from DrFaroff which proves to my mind that he wasn't being malicious.
I do think Jay is probably a nice guy, I've never met him so my opinion is based mostly on this thread.
Big YellowTaxi
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Exactly...
Am only new to this and am only interested in bikes and a bit 'o craic and banter..............
Baptism of fire for me.............
Don't know any of the guys involved but it all seems a bit childish to me..........
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