Nutty & Engineer are correct........

[JohnnyBoxer]

The MY2015 is a massive improvement to the 13's I rode 2 years ago - just as Nutty says

Slung my leg over a 12 GSA, with 6500 hard 'test jockey' demo bike and had a couple of hours today

Mixture of roads, the big is so smooth, so chuckable and pretty comfy

It had a quick shifter, which I didn't care for................it needed a massive tug on the lever to upchange - even at 4000 constant revs

It was neither slick, nor beautiful

Much prefer to use the clutch to snickety snick and was quicker using it

Gearbox was lovely in the higher gears and as Engineer says, if you blip on the downshift it's great and if you plan slow speed you change go between 1N2 and 2N1 pefectly

Only bad thing was N into first and a standstill, but if you planned your stops you can eliminate this, to a fair degree

Never ridden a GSA before, but I thought it a vast improvement on the GS for me

I was then told to try a MY2016 1200RT and see how good the gearbox is, my what a difference - so precise, so smooth and the QS was perfect - unlike the GSA version

Hope they have included the MY2016 gearbox updates to the GSA range - dealer is putting a red MY2016 12 GSA on next week and I'll try that

Nutty and Engineer - thanks, you were right

 

[Nutty]

Are you getting one then?

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Are you getting one then?

Have to see what the MY2016 gearbox upgrades are like in reality

I feel the need to rationalise the garage, in future

 

[RedRick Esq.]

The MY2015 is a massive improvement to the 13's I rode 2 years ago - just as Nutty says

Slung my leg over a 12 GSA, with 6500 hard 'test jockey' demo bike and had a couple of hours today

Mixture of roads, the big is so smooth, so chuckable and pretty comfy

It had a quick shifter, which I didn't care for................it needed a massive tug on the lever to upchange - even at 4000 constant revs

It was neither slick, nor beautiful

Much prefer to use the clutch to snickety snick and was quicker using it

Gearbox was lovely in the higher gears and as Engineer says, if you blip on the downshift it's great and if you plan slow speed you change go between 1N2 and 2N1 pefectly

Only bad thing was N into first and a standstill, but if you planned your stops you can eliminate this, to a fair degree

Never ridden a GSA before, but I thought it a vast improvement on the GS for me

I was then told to try a MY2016 1200RT and see how good the gearbox is, my what a difference - so precise, so smooth and the QS was perfect - unlike the GSA version

Hope they have included the MY2016 gearbox updates to the GSA range - dealer is putting a red MY2016 12 GSA on next week and I'll try that

Nutty and Engineer - thanks, you were right

Was this at my outlawed dealer ?

Was there anyone i know sniffing around a new bike ?????

 

[Blackal]

"Nurse! Screens!!! "

Al

 

[dave hendy]

The MY2015 is a massive improvement to the 13's I rode 2 years ago - just as Nutty says

Slung my leg over a 12 GSA, with 6500 hard 'test jockey' demo bike and had a couple of hours today

Mixture of roads, the big is so smooth, so chuckable and pretty comfy

It had a quick shifter, which I didn't care for................it needed a massive tug on the lever to upchange - even at 4000 constant revs

It was neither slick, nor beautiful

Much prefer to use the clutch to snickety snick and was quicker using it

Gearbox was lovely in the higher gears and as Engineer says, if you blip on the downshift it's great and if you plan slow speed you change go between 1N2 and 2N1 pefectly

Only bad thing was N into first and a standstill, but if you planned your stops you can eliminate this, to a fair degree

Never ridden a GSA before, but I thought it a vast improvement on the GS for me

I was then told to try a MY2016 1200RT and see how good the gearbox is, my what a difference - so precise, so smooth and the QS was perfect - unlike the GSA version

Hope they have included the MY2016 gearbox updates to the GSA range - dealer is putting a red MY2016 12 GSA on next week and I'll try that

Nutty and Engineer - thanks, you were right

Sounds like the gearbox on the R1200RS I rode! Why is it so much better than my GS which was built at the end of June?


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[2 wheel humvee]

Ok so which one of you has used Johnny's log in?
Nutty? Engineer?

 

[Wreford Miles]

...I reckon JB's done a refinancing deal on a load of agricultural gear and has some cash burning a hole in his pocket.

 

[sagalout]

I agree - when I first test rode the GS WC in 2014 (but was a 13 model) I really didn't like it, but after trying my mates 2014 GSA and then doing 1000KM's on on a 2015 GS hire bike the later models feel so much better.

 

[Georgeeboi]

Blimey I've heard it al now!

 

[Packer]

BMW have sold thousands of crappy bikes, imagine how many they could have sold if they'd got it right first time around.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Sounds like the gearbox on the R1200RS I rode! Why is it so much better than my GS which was built at the end of June?


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Dunno, it is different on the RT, for sure

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

...I reckon JB's done a refinancing deal on a load of agricultural gear and has some cash burning a hole in his pocket.

Double bubble

 

[Engineer]

Thank you - that free pint is still on offer when I am next in the Dales

 

[Wreford Miles]

BMW have sold thousands of crappy bikes, imagine how many they could have sold if they'd got it right first time around.

I've liked the gearboxes on all the BMW's I've owned but the other day I rode an 800GSA and it had a terrible gearbox compared to a standard 800 I'd been loaned earlier - how can they have such variance in experience

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Thank you - that free pint is still on offer when I am next in the Dales

Cheers

With the gearbox, you certainly have to ride the bike & learn it's charm & do some forward planning for sure

You can minimise some of the things that gripe so many here - so you are correct my friend

 

[Paul Wakefield]

I thought it was just me. When I had a new GS as a loan bike the other day, I also thought it was much better than the one I rode a couple of years back. I must have been lucky as I have never had a problem* with a BM gearbox apart from the odd model clonking into first which never bothered me; all have been easy and slick to change.

*Actually that's wrong. I think it was my 1150GS which went through a phase of jumping out of 4th but it grew out of it.

 

[Old Codger]

Have to see what the MY2016 gearbox upgrades are like in reality

I feel the need to rationalise the garage, in future

WARNING cloud of Fairy Dust over parts of Yorkshire has tightwads reaching for and opening traditionally locked wallets.Homing Pigeons off course and unable to navigate etc etc
SYMPTOMS lack of rational thought and an dramatic erosion of long held beliefs
CURE wait and it wont be long before a few outbreaks of heavy rain to wash all this nonsense away
JB FFS get a grip man !!!!

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

.............. ............

You can minimise some of the things that gripe so many here - so you are correct my friend

But........should you HAVE to is the question?

I've had many Guzzis and of course my old 1200GS for 10 years. All* need a 'technique' in order to perform clean gear changes and it's part of their character I guess. However, with the WC you seem to either get a good box that needs that 'technique' or an appalling box that just doesn't work as it should. You can make as many excuses as you like and you can ride around the problem as long as you're careful but there is no getting away from the fact that a WC gear box is a lottery.

Andres

* Actually, my 1100 Griso had an amazing box, as good if not better than my 1190 (and that's saying something!).

 

[Engineer]

Dunno, it is different on the RT, for sure

I had an 2015 RT loan bike for a day whilst my GS was in for a service a few months ago, initially I felt as though the gearbox was much slicker than my LC, however after riding it for a while and by the time I returned it to the dealer at the end of the day to pick up my freshly serviced bike I came to the conclusion that there wasn't much difference at all.