Ocean BMW Plymouth

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I suppose I'd better post my views rather than allow Proff and Trippy to quote my views second hand.

I had always been the first to praise Ocean in the past when I had received excellent service from them. Bill, the parts manager, is always extremely helpful and will order in anything that is not available from stock and post it on to me as soon as it is received.

I have had mixed reception from the sales department. I did not buy my GS from them (it came from Jersey) but they have mostly been helpful. I had one bad experience just after Pete left and the new Sales Manager replaced him. This was the person who I famously said of "I took an instant dislike to him, it saved time!". He spoke down to me as if I knew nothing about bikes and told me I was no worthy to have a test ride on a Mega Moto as "it was only available to people who were seriously going to buy one" whereas I was more interested in HP2 Enduro. In fairness to the other Salesmen, they were very professional and contacted me when they did get a HP2 Enduro in stock and let me take it out. I very nearly bought it but decided to keep my GS and buy a KTM as an off-roader.

Mark the Workshop manager is very helpful and has managed to fit me in at short notice when I have been going away. However, my last visits to have the tick-over sorted out were very disappointing. The mechanic working on my bike (Alexei Sayle lookalike) was very sloppy and unprofessional. He removed tank and let petrol pour all over bike lift until he eventually stopped fuel flow. He tried to start bike when it was clear he hadn't connected up fuel injection on right hand side. Very poor quality of workmanship and not what you expect when paying £50 per hour.

The bike had to go back in 5 times as it was clear that they had no idea how to rectify the problem apart from throwing new bits at it and hoping that would cure the problem. £500 later and it was no better than the day I first took it in. Finally I took it to Steptoe and he correctly diagnosed the problem with the throttle body and it was then running perfectly.

I would use Ocean again for spares but I would be reluctant to trust them with an older bike as their "mechanics" are more like fitters who can do simple jobs on recent bikes but don't appear to have the skills to diagnose and rectify problems. Its a long trip to London to visit the shrine of St. Eptoe but worth it in the long run.

I would use the Sales Dept if they had something that caught my fancy, but I would avoid the new Sales Manager. That wouldn't be difficult as he completely ignored me on my subsequent visits as I think I had already been marked as unworthy in his book.

Like the original poster, I'm not one to buy brand new bikes every other year and consequently don't like to waste money. Equally, if I wanted to, I could easily afford to buy any bike in their showroom for cash but I choose not to.

I think Ocean have rested on their laurels a bit after winning Dealer of the Year a few years ago. It was well deserved then, but it is not surprising that they have not won it since.

The front office staff are all nice guys and very helpful (with the obvious exception of the new "suit") and the service department is let down by the quality of their mechanics.
 
A Dealer's view

Hi G4
My bike has accident damage down one side??????
A 1 inch graze on the bottom of the pannier on the black plastic and a half inch scratch on the same side on the fairing!
They look minor scuffs against a garage wall perhaps while parking, and not at the same time, and as for badly corroded engine casing ....... I just dont see it and neither do any of the other dealers who have valued my bike


As a BMW dealer could I offer a possible explanation for the difference in the deal you were offered at the multifranchise outlet - Firstly BMW dealers are not supposed to sell anything other than BMW's so the Honda would have to be underwritten by a trader. These middlemen need to make a profit so their bid reflects this. The Multifranchise outlet on the other hand can retail the Honda themselves and can value it as they see fit as they will have an opportunity to make a profit out of it. It is not the case that the BM dealer is being greedy or tight.

Regarding the often repeated accusation that BMW dealers charge more than other dealers for a used BMW, yes, generally Approved Used BMW's do retail for a bit more. The reasons are that while your average dealer will hand over your bike with, (if you're lucky), an oil change, a valet and a warranty that runs out at the end of the week, all Approved Used BMW's have to go through an in depth checkover (called an AUB) .If the tyres are 3mm or below they are replaced. If the next scheduled service is within 1000 miles it has to be carried out in full. If the disc thickness is below the BMW recommended level they are replaced together with the pads. When you collect the bike it will be full of fuel, taxed for 12 months, MOT'd for 12 months and will have a full unlimited mileage 12 month BMW warranty.


I have no connection with the guys at Ocean apart from bumping into them at meetings occasionally, but I have always heard good things about them as reflected by other Ocean customers on this site. I think you should give them another chance.
 
Ocean are Great

I am a new member and I came across the posts regarding Ocean BMW.
I am appalled that members can slag off employees of national companies as these people have no right of reply (Their terms of employment etc). Therefore I believe these comments to be at best ill advised and in my opinion cowardly.
I have dealt with Ocean Motorrad for many years. I've had the occasional mechanical/cosmetic problem, but that is the nature of a mechanical beast. The test of a company is how they overcome the problem/situation and in my experience Ocean has always, repeat, always, exceeded my expectations.
I have been dealt with in a friendly and professional manner as I hope I have with them. Remember the old adage " Point the finger but be aware of where the other three point."
I have known Sid Horman for many a mile, thankfully in the company of others and am aware of how he treats people and companies. As we are now both members, I feel I can give some insight and he HAS the right of reply:-
Sid's infamous quote " I took and instant dislike" etc with regard to the new Sales Manager. sic. Sid proves yet again that he cannot get his facts straight, as the person he refers to was the new General Manager, a small point but Sid is full of small inaccurate points.
He states that he has not bought a bike from Ocean, omits that he has tried nearly every demonstrator on their fleet stating " I could buy any bike in the showroom if not all of them, if I wished." and then procedes to buy an old nail that a BMW dealership could not have retailed as it would not have been up to the standard for a BMW warrenty. Have you seen Sid's bike !!!!
He badgered the sales staff for a ride of the Mega Moto even though he stated he wasn't really interested and really wanted a HP2 Enduro. If they could get him one he would buy it. They got him one, he didn't buy it!
He says he has ordered a S1000 RR, anyone prepaired to start a book on this happening?
The saga of the Alexi Sayle incident:- It was the day of our departure to the Continent, meeting place Ocean, good cafe etc., Sid in a panic, he's been messing with the throttle body balance together with the potentiometer and its runs like the bike looks. Obviously he didn't let on to the service folk that he had been a messing. The service department stopped work on a pre booked, Ocean customers bike and immediately starts work on Sid's bike. Yes they could have syphoned off all the fuel in the brimmed tank, ran a full diagnostic test to isolate the problem and we would have missed the ferry. The bike ran sweetly for the trip, over a thousand miles, the ony gripe being the tick over was slightly high, which wasn't too bad as the amount of wear in the throttle bodies could be heard above his illegally loud exhaust !
It is a shame that the doors of dealerships aren't allowed to swing both ways, if they could, the could genuine customers would not have to wait whilst busy staff try to placate time wasting, arrogant, bad mannered time wasters.
Ocean you are doing a great job, in my book, you are appreciated by many as the responses show. My thanks for the service you provide. £50.00 an hour ! Sid's talking through the wrong orifice again !!!
 
. Yes they could have syphoned off all the fuel in the brimmed tank, ran a full diagnostic test to isolate the problem and we would have missed the ferry. The bike ran sweetly for the trip, over a thousand miles, the ony gripe being the tick over was slightly high, which wasn't too bad as the amount of wear in the throttle bodies could be heard above his illegally loud exhaust !


Sid's talking through the wrong orifice again !!!

I found the two faults in less than 10 minutes . Without removing the tank.
And they were nothing to do with the throttle bodies or Sids attempts at mechaninKing :D.

Main problem was a electrical on an injector, which takes 30 seconds to check. :augie
 
I suppose the moral of all of the above posts is as follows:......

If you're happy with the services and the staff of Ocean BMW, then visit them again.....

....and if you're not, then don't!

Simple, really...even a female can work that one out.......:D
 
I suppose the moral of all of the above posts is as follows:......

If you're happy with the services and the staff of Ocean BMW, then visit them again.....

....and if you're not, then don't!

Simple, really...even a female can work that one out.......:D

WELL SAID :clap and from a female as well :augie :D
 
No problem Jaq, I will be popping in on Saturday.:)

Say hello from me too please Bob.

(I always used to like his patter when offering me a test-ride. "It's alright. I won't make you buy one!" :rolleyes:).
 
I am a new member and I came across the posts regarding Ocean BMW.
I am appalled that members can slag off employees of national companies as these people have no right of reply (Their terms of employment etc). Therefore I believe these comments to be at best ill advised and in my opinion cowardly.
I have dealt with Ocean Motorrad for many years. I've had the occasional mechanical/cosmetic problem, but that is the nature of a mechanical beast. The test of a company is how they overcome the problem/situation and in my experience Ocean has always, repeat, always, exceeded my expectations.
I have been dealt with in a friendly and professional manner as I hope I have with them. Remember the old adage " Point the finger but be aware of where the other three point."
I have known Sid Horman for many a mile, thankfully in the company of others and am aware of how he treats people and companies. As we are now both members, I feel I can give some insight and he HAS the right of reply:-
Sid's infamous quote " I took and instant dislike" etc with regard to the new Sales Manager. sic. Sid proves yet again that he cannot get his facts straight, as the person he refers to was the new General Manager, a small point but Sid is full of small inaccurate points.
He states that he has not bought a bike from Ocean, omits that he has tried nearly every demonstrator on their fleet stating " I could buy any bike in the showroom if not all of them, if I wished." and then procedes to buy an old nail that a BMW dealership could not have retailed as it would not have been up to the standard for a BMW warrenty. Have you seen Sid's bike !!!!
He badgered the sales staff for a ride of the Mega Moto even though he stated he wasn't really interested and really wanted a HP2 Enduro. If they could get him one he would buy it. They got him one, he didn't buy it!
He says he has ordered a S1000 RR, anyone prepaired to start a book on this happening?
The saga of the Alexi Sayle incident:- It was the day of our departure to the Continent, meeting place Ocean, good cafe etc., Sid in a panic, he's been messing with the throttle body balance together with the potentiometer and its runs like the bike looks. Obviously he didn't let on to the service folk that he had been a messing. The service department stopped work on a pre booked, Ocean customers bike and immediately starts work on Sid's bike. Yes they could have syphoned off all the fuel in the brimmed tank, ran a full diagnostic test to isolate the problem and we would have missed the ferry. The bike ran sweetly for the trip, over a thousand miles, the ony gripe being the tick over was slightly high, which wasn't too bad as the amount of wear in the throttle bodies could be heard above his illegally loud exhaust !
It is a shame that the doors of dealerships aren't allowed to swing both ways, if they could, the could genuine customers would not have to wait whilst busy staff try to placate time wasting, arrogant, bad mannered time wasters.
Ocean you are doing a great job, in my book, you are appreciated by many as the responses show. My thanks for the service you provide. £50.00 an hour ! Sid's talking through the wrong orifice again !!!

Congratulations!

Never have I read a post on this site that is so inaccurate and full of complete lies. I don't know where to start. Everything I said in my original post is 100% true and I would swear to it in a court of law. Everything said by WillyWonker is completely untrue apart from the fact that I got the job title wrong of the "General Manager" rather than "Sales Manager". The person concerned didn't even speak to me direct, instead he talked around me to the salesman I was talking to which was discourteous in my opinion.

"He states that he has not bought a bike from Ocean, omits that he has tried nearly every demonstrator on their fleet". Completely and totally untrue! I have only ever tested ONE demonstrator from their fleet which was the 1200 Adv when it was launched two years ago. I had the funds available to purchase it but thought that the cost to change was too high and therefore kept my 1100.

"and then procedes to buy an old nail that a BMW dealership could not have retailed as it would not have been up to the standard for a BMW warrenty. Have you seen Sid's bike !!!!" Completely and utterly untrue. I did not "then proceed [note correct spelling!] to buy an old nail" as this is the bike that I have continued to own for 7 years now. As for comment about warranty, well guess what? Your comments are again complete lies and untruths. When they considered by bike for part exchange, they factored in the cost of selling it with a BMW approved warranty. As for comment about condition of my bike, yes it is 10 years old now but had a full restoration over the last winter and I have received many favourable comments on how it looks now painted up in ADV SE colours.

"He badgered the sales staff for a ride of the Mega Moto even though he stated he wasn't really interested and really wanted a HP2 Enduro." Again, completely and totally untrue!. They had a HP2 Enduro in stock that I was seriously interested in after Bill had told me how fantastic it was to ride. Andy the salesman booked me in to test ride it the following week. The day before I was due to ride it, he phoned me and told me that it had just been sold so was no longer available. However, he told me that they had the new MegaMoto in as a demonstrator and he would change my booking to that. I never "badgered" him for a ride, it was him who offered it to me. Check with Andy the salesman and he will confirm this. Unfortunately, when I arrived at the dealership, I had my bike booked in for a service and there was some misunderstanding over the test ride. They thought at first that I just wanted the MegaMoto as a loan bike whilst mine was serviced. I explained the conversation with Andy and how he had offered this to me as being similar to the HP2 Enduro. The new General Manager just spoke direct to the other salesman (sorry can't remember his name but think it was Richard?) and said the MegaMoto was nothing like the HP2 enduro and therefore I couldn't take it out under any circumstances.

"and really wanted a HP2 Enduro. If they could get him one he would buy it. They got him one, he didn't buy it! " Completely Untrue! I stated that I was interested in buying a HP2 which I was but I never stated "if they got one I would buy it". As I said in my original post in which I tried to be as fair as possible, the salesman rang me and told me they had a second hand one in stock. I took it out for a test ride and had mixed feelings about it. I loved some aspects of it but there were a few issues I wasn't completely happy with. This is the whole point of of a test ride. I was undecided but reading the comments on here about the various problems with the forks etc put more doubts in my mind. The bike was priced at £9,250 which the general opinion was too high and would suffer lots more depreciation. I had also just purchased a new R1 so decided against the HP2 at that time.

"Sid in a panic, he's been messing with the throttle body balance together with the potentiometer and its runs like the bike looks. Obviously he didn't let on to the service folk that he had been a messing." Well WW, you excell yourself him with your lies and fabrication as this is 100% completely untrue! I have never touched the potentiometer or the throttle body at all. I wouldn't even know what/where the potentiometer is! I wonder where or why you have invented this lie.

"Yes they could have syphoned off all the fuel in the brimmed tank, ran a full diagnostic test to isolate the problem and we would have missed the ferry. " Oh dear, completely untrue again. The fuel issue was on a separate visit, not the one before the ferry. What you forget is that they had the bike in a total of 5 times when there was no rush at all and they consistently failed to find a problem that Steptoe found in seconds.

"The bike ran sweetly for the trip, over a thousand miles, the ony gripe being the tick over was slightly high, which wasn't too bad as the amount of wear in the throttle bodies could be heard above his illegally loud exhaust !" Untrue again! The bike certainly did not run sweetly. The tickover has errectic being sometimes dangerously too high and other times cutting out approaching junctions etc. Also the fuel cunsumption was grossly excessive, something else that has been sorted by Steptoe. Also if as you allege, the wear in the throttle bodies was so audible then why were Ocean unable to diagnose this despite 5 visits?

"£50.00 an hour ! Sid's talking through the wrong orifice again !!!" I have the invoice which shows one hours labour and a charge of £50 so what do you disagree with here.



Here's the Challenge WW. Show me one thing in this message that is not 100% true and I will donate £50 to the charity of Ocean's choice. If you can't, then apologise for the libellous lies you have posted on here.

PS Will WW confirm or deny that he is/was employed by Ocean?
 
I very nearly bought it but decided to keep my GS and buy a KTM as an off-roader.

The mechanic working on my bike (Alexei Sayle lookalike) was very sloppy and unprofessional. He removed tank and let petrol pour all over bike lift until he eventually stopped fuel flow. He tried to start bike when it was clear he hadn't connected up fuel injection on right hand side. Very poor quality of workmanship and not what you expect when paying £50 per hour.

Sid, you may be interested to know that 'Alexei' doesn't work at Ocean any more.

You may be less happy to know that he now works for KTM!

:bounce1
 
Just to change the subject, as it seems some are getting a little hot under the collar......:(.....are any of you South Westerners going to the last (of the year) Paignton Bike Night tomorrow?????.............:)

Sorry Mike P....will post this in the South West bit too.....:)
 
That's Fifty pounds to charity.Thanks

Congratulations!
"He states that he has not bought a bike from Ocean, omits that he has tried nearly every demonstrator on their fleet". Completely and totally untrue! I have only ever tested ONE demonstrator from their fleet which was the 1200 Adv when it was launched two years ago. I had the funds available to purchase it but thought that the cost to change was too high and therefore kept my 1100.


I stated that I was interested in buying a HP2 I took it out for a test ride and had mixed feelings about it. I loved some aspects of it but there were a few issues I wasn't completely happy with. This is the whole point of of a test ride. I was undecided but reading the comments on here about the various problems with the forks etc put more doubts in my mind. The bike was priced at £9,250 which the general opinion was too high and would suffer lots more depreciation. I had also just purchased a new R1 so decided against the HP2 at that time.

"[Here's the Challenge WW. Show me one thing in this message that is not 100% true and I will donate £50 to the charity of Ocean's choice.

Done it yourself without any help from others.
Good one Sid
 
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Is that the best you can do by way of an apology for the numerous lies and false accusations?

You accused me of taking out nearly all of their demonstrators. I clearly stated that I had only ever taken out one demonstrator which was the 12Adv. As I explained, the HP2 was clearly not a demonstrator but a second hand model they had in. I thought you liked me to be completely accurate as I have tried to be all along. I clearly posted which bikes I had tried over a period of over two years.

Will you now apologise for all the other lies and falsehoods about me that you posted?

I don't know what I did to justify all your lies and personal insults?

I merely gave a 100% factual account of my observations of Ocean. It was mostly favourable with many comments about how helpful most of the staff have been to me over the years. Where my comments were not favourable, I gave clear concise example of where they had failed in my opinion.

It is interesting that the mechanic that I was unimpressed with is no longer working for them so that removed that concern.

Obviously I did not get off to a good start with the General Manager but these things happen. I'm prepared to accept that he didn't mean to be rude to me but that is how it appeared. I can't expect to get on with everyone or them with me so I just accept the situation.

I await your apology.

You failed to confirm if you are current/past staff of Ocean? Is your response to be taken as an official comment from Ocean?
 


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