Oil question

[red1]

Which oils do they use in the new Transit to give 2year/30K service intervals?

And as oilheads aren't exactly highly stressed modern engines how long could you safely leave between oil changes?

 

[Cyrus]

That's a good question to which I do not know the answer but the following may help.

In the world of outboard motors there is a fantastic thing made by Evinrude called the Etec. It is a modern two-stroke motor that is interesting for several reasons, but in this case primarily because Evinrude state that it needs no running in (!). This is partly due to the fact that they spent a long time reducing the number of moving parts in these things but is also due to the use of fancy high-tech materials in cylinder bores etc, allowing the engines to be run at full throttle straight out of the box. It also allows Evinrude to offer 300 hour service intervals when other outboards are all 50 hours which is quite astonishing. Ford probably use similar materials technology to increase service intervals.

There must be incremental improvements in oil technology all the time so this will allow manufacturers to increase service intervals too.

Somebody more knowledgeable will be along in a minute, surely, but I'm going to stick to 6000 mile oil changes on my '95 1100GS meanwhile. It lets me know that the oil needs changing, but not as badly as my old Toyota Hilux which used to start rattling like buggery exactly every 6000 miles!

 

[Stewart H]

Modern fully synth oils in a modern motor can last a long time, plus the makers are only interested in them getting through the warranty period, long service intervals are attractive to fleet operators and dealers alike, at service time dealers get to fit loads of prophylactic replacements due to them not looking like they will last the next 30,000 and fleet managers get an easy life

 

[Steptoe]

Which oils do they use in the new Transit to give 2year/30K service intervals?

I expect a transit engine has a higher oil capacity than the GS's 3.8 litres, and a larger oil filter. .

 

[Sgt Bilco]

Modern big truck engines have an oil change interval of around 80,000kms on fully synthetic oil. The capacity is a round 40 litres though and they have big filters

 

[ppgser]

My car has 20k service intervals with a non synthetic oil recommended.

They suffer from the engine going bang - what a surprise.

 

[red1]

My car has 20k service intervals with a non synthetic oil recommended.

They suffer from the engine going bang - what a surprise.

Which is ..........?

 

[ppgser]

Which is ..........?

It's an old Renault scenic 1.9Dci. Looking at the book again it was every 18k.

I had a problem when I first got it (used) and the Renault dealer was so unhelpful that I never went back. It had an intermittent fault, going into limp home mode. Renault told me it needed a new loom and a new ECU and this was an uneconomical repair. Turned out it was a pin on the connector going into the ECU. Bit of wire and a soldering iron and it was solved in ten mins. (Diagnosing it took a little longer.)

Since that episode it has been a good car much to my surprise. (oil changed every 5,000.)

 

[Phil-H]

Which oils do they use in the new Transit to give 2year/30K service intervals?

And as oilheads aren't exactly highly stressed modern engines how long could you safely leave between oil changes?

Fords use a fully synth 5/30 (Castrol i believe), don't believe the hype about extended changes - it's all about reducing costs & down time to fleet buyers.

I'm sure fully synth can go much longer without degrading.



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[Neil W]

Stick to annual 15, 000 miles servicing, the new transits all use oil between services and will use at least 3 or 4 litres of oil in 30, 000 miles.
Call me suspicious of 2 year services but if the engine breaks at 4 or 5 years old the manufacturers sell more engines or new vehicles. Oil and filters are cheap compared to engines.

At work our vans used to have 7,500 mile services, now they are 15, 000 miles as per Ford , it saves money but doubt they will last as well. We tend to do 120, 000 miles in three years

 

[Phil-H]

The Transits that I have worked with & my own don't use a drop of oil.
The works' fleet are on 12k services, I believe it's pushing it a bit, with HDI Berlingo's popping turbos every week, all diesels oil is jet black immediately after an oil change which can't be good......
My own Transit gets serviced every 7-8 k the oil stays clean for ages.


Phil


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[Neil W]

Trust me we have 20
odd transits and they ALL use oil

 

[uncle dick]

The Transits that I have worked with & my own don't use a drop of oil.
The works' fleet are on 12k services, I believe it's pushing it a bit, with HDI Berlingo's popping turbos every week, all diesels oil is jet black immediately after an oil change which can't be good......
My own Transit gets serviced every 7-8 k the oil stays clean for ages.

So what oil are the berlingos on? We always use Total 5/30 ineo ECS on the HDi's and haven't seen a turbo blown yet.

Local Peugeot dealer actually buys it from us - they used to use the wrong stuff!

 

[Phil-H]

Trust me we have 20
odd transits and they ALL use oil

Work have what must be 50+ Transits (hire vans) mk6 & 7 from 56 plate to brand new, 0 to 180k miles, none need topping up that I know of, get the very odd blown engine, cracked piston & plenty of clutches & dmf's!

So what oil are the berlingos on? We always use Total 5/30 ineo ECS on the HDi's and haven't seen a turbo blown yet.

Local Peugeot dealer actually buys it from us - they used to use the wrong stuff!

5/30 fully synth & 12k services, the filters bunged up on the turbo oil feed pipe, fitted modified banjos with bigger filters & they still bung up starving the turbo of oil.
They just seem a dirty engine
Some vans are fine for 100k+ others have had 3 turbos by 70k!
Nip the injector clamps up too or the seals blow too.
Nice motor otherwise!

Phil



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[MattW]

What Stewart sed.
It's all down to keeping company fleet managers happy.

If you're trying to economise on oil changes then you seriously have to question whether you can really afford to run the bike?...

 

[red1]

If you're trying to economise on oil changes then you seriously have to question whether you can really afford to run the bike?...

Just looking at how oil change frequency has changed over the years with motor vehicles and in the last few years motos.

Considering the design and stresses of different moto engines it seems that 10-15k oil changes are now becoming more common on motos - eg: Multistrada.

Honda have had 8k changes for some time and I would assume that now they are integrating car technology into motos - eg: NC700, they will be extending their frequency.

The boxer motor is old school, low stress and 6k on a basic 20/50 mineral seems about right. Add into the cycle a fully synthetic and that must give better protection and longevity. Especially as (with the exception of the 2013 WC) there is no added stress on the oil from the clutch/gearbox as there is with say a Honda.

I've never believed that doubling up on oil changes makes any difference whatsoever to engine longevity, it's just throwing good oil out well before its sell-by-date.