Oradour sur glane

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Anyone visited this place near Limoges. www.oradour.info/ I am told its worth visiting and as heading that way in April thought it worth a look. It sounds like quite a harrowing story behind it.
Any one recommend b/b in that area.

Cheers Phil
 
Mon 15th September 2003

I’m up at 0730 and, after a light breakfast, I’m on the road for 0830, the other residents watch my departure.

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I’m heading North East and the low sun makes riding very difficult. I’ve got to slow right down as I approach areas of shade, which worries me, with the habit of French drivers being to follow you very closely. No combination of sunglasses and dark visor help much, so I press on steadily and carefully. It’s a beautiful cool morning and I’m on another good road.

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I fill up at Rochechquart, which boasts a spectacular Chateau overlooking the Western approach to the town. I arrive at Oradour at about 1000. After touring the visitor centre type entrance, which includes a detailed background history of the village and the war, I walk out into the village, which has been left very much as it was found on 11th July 1944.

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On the 10th June 1944, the war visited Oradour –sur-Glane. 4 days after D-Day, the Waffen SS units in the area were instructed to sweep the Tulle-Limoges region and create a state of terror to counter the perceived rise in resistance fighting. They chose Oradour, an ordinary little town, as the focus of their campaign. They rounded up the men and shot them in a barn, then drove the women & children into the church, where they burned them alive.

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In total, they killed over 600 civilians, including 139 children. The troops then looted the village and burned every building. I took some pictures, including one of probably the most redundant sign in the world – no-one talks here…..

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You can probably find all the information you need on the outrage at Oradour on the internet. If you get the opportunity, I strongly advise you to go there. Not everything worth doing has to be entertaining or fun. If you are not profoundly moved by your visit, you probably cast no reflection in a mirror…….

Riding out of the new town (where did 3 hours go?), I’m in a melancholy and reflective frame of mind. At the edge of town, a young boy of about 5, playing in a garden on my right, mistakes my cleaning my mirror as my waving and waves back, with a huge gap-toothed grin. I wave back, my mood lifted.

Near Confolans, I stop and buy some food at a supermarket. Further along the road, I stop at a picnic area and enjoy the quiet. I‘m joined for lunch by a stray kitten.

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He clearly survives (just) on scraps from picnickers. He’s lucky today, and seems to enjoy his smoked ham. After an hour, I set off again. I suddenly feel very tired and can’t concentrate enough to make any real progress. Eventually I give up and stop at a small hotel on the outskirts of Niort. It’s 1600 and I’ve a job keeping my eyes open. An early night beckons.

Where now? I’m due at Calais on Thursday at 1845 for a 1915 sailing. I plot an off-motorway route from here – it’s a total of about 12 hours riding, which I have 3 days to complete. The route I’ve chosen broadly follows the line of the coast, but 20-30km inland. I think I’ll just follow the route for a while and see how it goes, stopping when something looks interesting. Got a text message from Bilks – he’s on board his ferry heading for Poole & will be home by 0100 tomorrow morning. Still nothing from Mike & Caroline, so I’ll give up trying to contact them and meet them on the ferry.

(From my Gibralter Journal)

Mike:cool:
 
Yes and yes, been there and it is a harrowing story but it isn't unique.

Possibly the best preparation for your visit is to read "Das Reich" by Max Hastings. It isn't about Oradour specifically but it covers it very well and also sets it into the perspective of other similar atrocities committed as 2nd SS Panzer Division moved from Toulouse towards Normandy. It also provides possibly the least questionable account of why it happened as well as detailed eye-witness accounts of how it was carried out.
 
Anyone visited this place near Limoges. www.oradour.info/ I am told its worth visiting and as heading that way in April thought it worth a look. It sounds like quite a harrowing story behind it.
Any one recommend b/b in that area.

Cheers Phil

Hi,

I live 20 mins from O-S-G, and it's worth a visit, even if it's raining, in fact the atmosphere is much more edgy if it's wet.

Can thoroughly recommend this place to stay. They also do organised trips out to O-S-G. ( they're about 1/2hrs ride from there)

www.motobreaks.com

Have fun.
 
Yes - everyone should go if they can. You do not need to do any preparation / reading unless so inclined. The museum that you pass through to get into the village is very informative.
 
"then drove the women & children into the church, where they burned them alive".

Beg to differ here but I've read that the church was mined. One person (at least) was saved from the explosion by the altar and managed to climb out through a blown-out window. Yes, are lots of Internet links to the Oradour-sur-Glane story.
 
Been there a few times, definitely worth a visit. Stayed at the Rider's Rest this year which is just the other side of Limoges and under an hour away from Oradour
 
"then drove the women & children into the church, where they burned them alive".

Beg to differ here but I've read that the church was mined. One person (at least) was saved from the explosion by the altar and managed to climb out through a blown-out window. Yes, are lots of Internet links to the Oradour-sur-Glane story.

As far as I recall, the women & children were herded into the church. They were then sprayed with machine gun fire and phosphorus grenades were thrown in. You can see the pockmarks from the machine gun fire on the walls and the molten church bell on the floor from the fire.
 
Possibly the best preparation for your visit is to read "Das Reich" by Max Hastings. It isn't about Oradour specifically but it covers it very well and also sets it into the perspective of other similar atrocities committed as 2nd SS Panzer Division moved from Toulouse towards Normandy. It also provides possibly the least questionable account of why it happened as well as detailed eye-witness accounts of how it was carried out.

I read this book a couple of years back (that was also on Mike's recommendation I believe) and it is worth getting just so you can start to grasp how things like OSG can happen and make some sense of such a terrible event.
 
What surprised me about the book was how much time Das Reich seemed to waste on their journey north from Montauban towards Normandy. Their intervention in Normandy to oppose the allies breakout was clearly the major priority yet they seemed to waste time on what seems trivial actions like Oradour, Gabaudet, Tulle and more.

No disrespect to any these places intended.
 
Well recomended

Yes, very interesting and emotional place to visit, a reminder of the atrocities of
the 2nd world war, I visited there in September and thoroughly recommend :-
http://ridersrest.net/ you cant go wrong for good value and exceptional food provided, about an hours ride from the village.
 
As far as I recall, the women & children were herded into the church. They were then sprayed with machine gun fire and phosphorus grenades were thrown in. You can see the pockmarks from the machine gun fire on the walls and the molten church bell on the floor from the fire.
The lady in question tried and failed to save her own children. She witnessed their deaths (along with those of many others). She half fell, half jumped from the window and broke her leg in the process. She was seen making her escape but managed to crawl away to some bushes where she hid for several days until it was safe enough to emerge.

There were others who despite seeing what happened were allowed to escape.

What surprised me about the book was how much time Das Reich seemed to waste on their journey north from Montauban towards Normandy. Their intervention in Normandy to oppose the allies breakout was clearly the major priority yet they seemed to waste time on what seems trivial actions like Oradour, Gabaudet, Tulle and more.
Derek, initially Das Reich (or rather the Recce Bn) was tasked with clearing the region of Maquis while the armour made its way towards Normandy by road. That decision has always been one of the most puzzling aspects of the whole affair with hindsight. The fact is that the Germans actually feared the sort of widespread uprising following the successful beach-head that many French historians later claim happened. It was really only after some days that the German command realised that the Maquis and other Resistants were not as well organised, trained or equipped as they had feared that they got on with getting to where they should have been deployed immediately.

In that they caused a first rate fighting formation to delay arrival where it was needed, the Resistants achieved a success that should by rights have eluded them.

That it cost so many lives and whether it was worth it, we can probably safely say with hindsight that it wasn't but thankfully we weren't faced with the decision.
 
Definitely would like to visit that place one day. V sobering I imagine :(
 
+3 for Riders Rest. Tony is a member of this parish and is very knowledgable about the area. Oradour is certainly worth a visit :thumb2
 
Just go and make your own mind up.

We found it very, very sad.

+1
The new visitor Centre is worth a visit as is watching the audio part of the Centre.

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I've seen a lot of things that I wouldn't wish on anyone both in Belfast and the sandpit but a visit here left a mark that I doubt will ever go. It is somewhere that will affect everyone in some way regardless of how hard you think you are.
I'd recommend you go.
If nothing else it will give a very clear indication of what one human can do to another...........
 


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