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Hi
I was looking at getting a pair of Endurogaurd trousers but they look like they’ve been replaced by something with Gortex Outsert.
Is this a laminate? I don’t want a liner system.
Anyone tried them?
Thanks
 
Enduroguard is still a laminate.
Are you sure you’re not looking at the new Rallye Pro pants?
They have a waterproof liner/outsert that is CE approved on its own. As is the new jacket one as well
 
Looks like Enduroguard has been discontinued and they’ve stopped using their climate control system.
I want laminate not a layering system.
Shame, my Klim trousers are coming to the end of their life and I had Enduroguard lined up.
Oh well
 
I've been very impressed with my Dane trousers, far more than I have with my Halvarsson jacket which I definitely wouldn't recommend.
 
I've been very impressed with my Dane trousers, far more than I have with my Halvarsson jacket which I definitely wouldn't recommend.

Just been looking at Dane, what’s the venting like?
Venting is more important to me than insulation.
Of course I want the Unicorn - laminate with good protection and excellent ventilation at a decent price :blast

The Touratech Campanero Ramblers look really good but no rear exhaust vent and no real reviews.
Cheapest Klim laminate is £750 :(

Thanks for all the input
 
I got my Dane trousers cheap at the Bike Show a few years ago as they were the end of the line. Mine have zero ventilation but as I understand it the next incarnation was going to have ventilation.
 
Just been looking at Dane, what’s the venting like?
Venting is more important to me than insulation.
Of course I want the Unicorn - laminate with good protection and excellent ventilation at a decent price :blast

The Touratech Campanero Ramblers look really good but no rear exhaust vent and no real reviews.
Cheapest Klim laminate is £750 :(

Thanks for all the input

Stadler all 4 pro- love mine although I did get them for less than £400 new from Moto Legends.

https://www.motolegends.com/motorcy..._cid=f2cab5b49c&mc_eid=e3124d2d0b#reviewvideo


The 4All Pro pant in detail

Like the Supervent jacket and the best tops and bottoms from the likes of Rukka and Klim, the 4All Pro pant is Gore-Tex Pro Shell constructed. This, obviously, is the gold standard as far as waterproofing and breathability are concerned. You’re not going to get wet if you’re riding in a pair of these trousers.

It’s the built-in stretch panels that make the 4All Pro so comfortable.

The fit is also quite unlike any similar, technical pant. It is less baggy than most riding trousers. In fact, it wears more like a Police rider’s motorcycle jodhpur, which I suppose is not far off what it is. But the tight fit doesn’t make the pant uncomfortable to wear or ride in; in fact, quite the contrary. They are supremely comfortable. And that probably comes down to the stretch panels in the crotch, down the inside of the legs and behind the knees.

They also have a superbly elasticated waist that, once again, contributes to the pant’s comfort. Braces don’t come as standard, although we reckon they’re pretty essential. They are available as an add-on.

The armour is Level 2. The knees are shapes to protect the outside of the knee

For protection, the 4All Pros come with Level 2 armour in the hips and knees. It is made for Stadler by SAS-Tec, and in the knees it is handed; that it is to say that, somewhat unusually, the knee armour is shaped to fit on the right knee or the left knee. In fact, it is particularly designed to give extra coverage to the outside of the knee. The knee and hip protectors both actually exceed the Level 2 standard by 60%.

The knees are covered with highly abrasion-resistant SuperFabric

For added abrasion resistance, the knees are covered with SuperFabric. This is the most abrasion-resistant material that can be used on a motorcycle garment. But, like the protectors themselves, the material sits on the outside of the knees. And this is important because SuperFabric has the ability to scratch a bike’s paintwork. But, of course, that can’t happen here.

This is not the very best thermal lining, but for a pant it’s good enough.

For colder weather, the pants come with a zip-out thermal liner, but here we have to be totally honest. We love these pants, but the thermal liner is little more than average. For the Supervent jacket, we think the identically constructed liner is simply not up to the job, but in the pant it sort of passes muster.

In warmer weather, you will want to use the vents that run up the thighs. These vents are covered by waterproof zips.

On the sides are two waterproof pockets protected by water-resistant zips. At the back of the legs are adjusters that will allow you to adjust the volume of the leg.
 
Hi
I was looking at getting a pair of Endurogaurd trousers but they look like they’ve been replaced by something with Gortex Outsert.
Is this a laminate? I don’t want a liner system.
Anyone tried them?
Thanks

Hmmm. Both Tosser-style suits, the Rally and Karakum GTX have gone for separate waterproof layers. Have you considered the BMW Paceguard laminate jacket?
 
Hmmm. Both Tosser-style suits, the Rally and Karakum GTX have gone for separate waterproof layers. Have you considered the BMW Paceguard laminate jacket?

Just trousers, I’m looking for but will check them out thanks
 
Stadler all 4 pro- love mine although I did get them for less than £400 new from Moto Legends.

https://www.motolegends.com/motorcy..._cid=f2cab5b49c&mc_eid=e3124d2d0b#reviewvideo


The 4All Pro pant in detail

Like the Supervent jacket and the best tops and bottoms from the likes of Rukka and Klim, the 4All Pro pant is Gore-Tex Pro Shell constructed. This, obviously, is the gold standard as far as waterproofing and breathability are concerned. You’re not going to get wet if you’re riding in a pair of these trousers.

It’s the built-in stretch panels that make the 4All Pro so comfortable.

The fit is also quite unlike any similar, technical pant. It is less baggy than most riding trousers. In fact, it wears more like a Police rider’s motorcycle jodhpur, which I suppose is not far off what it is. But the tight fit doesn’t make the pant uncomfortable to wear or ride in; in fact, quite the contrary. They are supremely comfortable. And that probably comes down to the stretch panels in the crotch, down the inside of the legs and behind the knees.

They also have a superbly elasticated waist that, once again, contributes to the pant’s comfort. Braces don’t come as standard, although we reckon they’re pretty essential. They are available as an add-on.

The armour is Level 2. The knees are shapes to protect the outside of the knee

For protection, the 4All Pros come with Level 2 armour in the hips and knees. It is made for Stadler by SAS-Tec, and in the knees it is handed; that it is to say that, somewhat unusually, the knee armour is shaped to fit on the right knee or the left knee. In fact, it is particularly designed to give extra coverage to the outside of the knee. The knee and hip protectors both actually exceed the Level 2 standard by 60%.

The knees are covered with highly abrasion-resistant SuperFabric

For added abrasion resistance, the knees are covered with SuperFabric. This is the most abrasion-resistant material that can be used on a motorcycle garment. But, like the protectors themselves, the material sits on the outside of the knees. And this is important because SuperFabric has the ability to scratch a bike’s paintwork. But, of course, that can’t happen here.

This is not the very best thermal lining, but for a pant it’s good enough.

For colder weather, the pants come with a zip-out thermal liner, but here we have to be totally honest. We love these pants, but the thermal liner is little more than average. For the Supervent jacket, we think the identically constructed liner is simply not up to the job, but in the pant it sort of passes muster.

In warmer weather, you will want to use the vents that run up the thighs. These vents are covered by waterproof zips.

On the sides are two waterproof pockets protected by water-resistant zips. At the back of the legs are adjusters that will allow you to adjust the volume of the leg.

Will take a look thanks
 
Sorry, I wasn't thinking. Paceguard Adventure Trousers available separately.

Thanks, just looked at these and they appear to be replacements for the endurogaurd.
Just need to find somewhere that holds stock so I can try them on - BMW sizing chart is a thing of mystery.
 
If you want a comfortable pair of laminated pants, I can recommend Halvarssons Wish. Take a look at Motolegends, they rate them highly as well.
 
I have a pair of the Wish trousers and they are OK for the price - two caveats :- the Halvarssons knee armour is super uncomfortable when not on the bike, I've changed mine; the Velcro at the leg bottoms is insufficient to form a tight seal around the boot, so cold air blows up my legs.
 


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