Ownership

[shedracer]

Trading Standards need a call in my book. The dealer seams to have miss informed you on numerous accounts, so they shouldn't get away with that.

Maybe you should mention this to them and see what they have to say now.

 

[Kenny]

Stand back..deep breath..look at your BMW...are you going to sell it or not ? If yes, then good on you and move onto another marque but you'll still find the same problems with virtually any dealer..most are just ..erm, average.
If you are going to keep it...forget all about the dealer ( at least he seems to have made most things back up to you )....and as others say ...get out and enjoy riding it rather than giving yourself more 'phone hassles etc etc etc etc..........move on !!!

 

[Hannu]

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Stand back..deep breath..look at your BMW...are you going to sell it or not ? If yes, then good on you and move onto another marque but you'll still find the same problems with virtually any dealer..most are just ..erm, average.

Right, in answer to the above, Why the hell should we put up with even average. These are expensive bikes and we should expect a 1st class service to reflect that.
I owned a Honda prior to this and in the 4 years ownership I never had a problem with the dealership and can only prise them for an excellent service throughout.
If we expect average service with high cost then thats what we will get if you don't complain then the dealers will think they can away with it for example:-
Spoke to the manager of the dealership today and he couldn't understand what the problem was, Honest.
According to him it makes no difference to the cost/resale value of the bike if its had another owner or its not got a full service history.

Bol****s

I point out that I was happy with them replacing the rear tyre and I even told him that I have replaced the front at the same time to even the bike up, he replied "well you didn't have to there was enough thread on the front one" missing the point completely that I was happy to replace the front at my cost because after riding round Wales last week I had got use to the bike and was happy with it.

I then pointed out that due to a recent incident when trying to purchase one privately I was willing to pay around 1k over private cost to buy from a dealership with the comfort that brings knowing that I was getting a 1 owner bike with full service history.
I asked and was ensured on more than one occasion that this was a ONE OWNER FROM NEW BIKE WITH FULL SERVICE HISTORY.

I have no doubt that the bike is OK but I purchased a ONE OWNER BIKE WITH FULL HISTORY and the manager cannot seem to grasp this point.

IT IS NOT THE BIKE I PAID IN FULL FOR.

and yes I am now considering getting rid of the bike simply because i will always feel that I have been done !!. the bike is fine but I will always have the above in the back of my mind.

Left it with me saying I would test a 1200gsa and if I like it he would do a good deal on a new one.

In saying that and reading though the threads on here sounds like a possibly case of frying pan and fire !!!!!

Am I so wrong in wanting what I paid for ?

 

[Deadskin]

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[Taff]

But if you're really happy with the bike, surely that's the most important thing, not how many previous owners its had. Are you sure that one of these "previous owners" isn't the same as one of the previous owners for my previous bike, ie the dealer themselves? PW recently posted a thread about an 1150 GS Adventure he had seen in a dealers with 48 miles on the clock. Now, if that had been pre-registered as well, then the new buyer would be owner number 3. A higher than average number of previous owners therefore doesn’t automatically mean a shagged bike.

You don’t need to be clever to work out that the other bike you were buying was my 03 Adventure which I was selling a few months ago. Rightly or wrongly, I didn't check the number of previous owners when I bought the silver Adventure (with about 3,500 miles on the clock) and just trusted the owner when he told me that he had bought it new. When we agreed on the sale of my bike, trust me the 2 previous owners (shown up on your HPI check) came just as much of a shock to me as it did to you - although I accept I would have known if I had read the V5 properly. In fact I contacted Rainbow 01709 835917 and spoke to Ian to get this clarified. After giving them the registration number (I will willingly give the reg no to anyone by PM if they want it) they told me that they had “pre-registered” the bike for “quota purposes”. The name and address of the chap they sold the bike to, was the same chap I bought it from. Please don’t get me wrong, I don’t blame you one bit for not buying it. It wasn’t 100% as described, and if you were unhappy with it then you did the right thing, but I can sympathise with the dealer a bit when he says it doesn’t affect the value, because it didn’t in my case. In fact I ended up getting more for the bike than we had agreed, even after I had explained why you were no longer interested. Apart from the previous owners though, my previous bike was exactly as described. The missing service history on your new bike I agree with you though, is a different matter.

My point is that if you were really happy with your new bike after your recent trip, why should a different number on the log book change your attitude towards it?

 

[Hannu]

I suppose its a mind thing really Cambell, The dealership told me after I had specifically asked that the bike was a ONE owner bike with FULL service history, and its not. If I was re-selling the bike I need to be 100% about the history and if I were looking to buy it I would wonder why a bike with only 4000 miles had 3 owners ! how would I explain the the dealer mis lead me ?.
Sorry to say thats not what Rainbow told me when I rang.
All the best,
regards Hannu

 

[Taff]

I suppose it could be true with any brand of bike, but I have seen some 2nd hand 1150 Adventures for sale with really stupidly low mileages. Apart from PWs example of 48 miles (which must be a record - unless someone knows different) when I was looking for my first Adventure there was one advertised in Cardiff with 89 miles on the clock, but it had sold within hours of appearing in MCN. Surely with such low mileages, the owner hasn't given the bike a chance.

I don't know why this should be the case, but my guess is that people sometimes buy the Adventure on a whim (very good looking bike / good for the image etc etc) then reality sets in when they suddenly realise that they can't physically ride it. Eg someone on here recently posted that they had bought a virtually brand new Adventure, as the owner was scared witless of traffic lights because he wasn't confident of putting his feet on the floor.

I appreciate what you say about explaining a higher than average number of owners to a potential buyer, but in real life I have never found this an issue. Personally, I wouldn't let the number of previous owners worry you unduly - if your bikes a good one, the 1150 Adventure is a classic and will sell itself when you decide to sell it. Personally, I'm going to try and get mine round the clock.

 

[luckylucian]

I agree with Taff, most people seem more concerned with a HPI check than number of previous owners