...FFS.........they are panniers. Ride and enjoy your bike and stop worrying about details like that. It's a GS not a bling Harley........
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On the other hand, one small off and this 1200 pannier and mounting was wreckedhe bought TT panniers on his return to UK
One reason why I strongly recommend those coming on my Morocco trips to fit decent panniers.
There's always one
Andres
T T Panniers
With regards to the "small off" breaki ng the pannier bracket these panniers were not designed for this kind of terrain. My TT panniers have stood up
to several hard bangs and at present have a distincly bulging look and a few
agps in the bas joins, but they still fit on the bike and are still useable. I lost a lid as the catches wer'nt too good but apart from that still very useable.
So going on the rough stick to TT's, and tie the lids on!.
Dave GS.
With regards to the "small off" breaki ng the pannier bracket these panniers were not designed for this kind of terrain. My TT panniers have stood up
to several hard bangs and at present have a distincly bulging look and a few
agps in the bas joins, but they still fit on the bike and are still useable. I lost a lid as the catches wer'nt too good but apart from that still very useable.
So going on the rough stick to TT's, and tie the lids on!.
Dave GS.
ravanelli
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Got My new R1200GSA about 5 weeks ago. It had the topbox from day 1.
I got the panniers last friday.
About 3 weeks ago I noticed topbox seems to have white dots all over it sort of pitted. I can easily compare the topbox with the new panniers and there's a huge difference in the finish now.
Not happy. BMW should provide advice before they sell them. As you all know the full set cost 1k............
Ouch
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Got My new R1200GSA about 5 weeks ago. It had the topbox from day 1.
I got the panniers last friday.
About 3 weeks ago I noticed topbox seems to have white dots all over it sort of pitted. I can easily compare the topbox with the new panniers and there's a huge difference in the finish now.
Not happy. BMW should provide advice before they sell them. As you all know the full set cost 1k............
Ouch
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Ah... too late I see... talk nicely to your dealer - show him the two and see what they can do to help...imho you will get further doing that than moaning and complaining esp here, there are far to many people (BM employee's I'm sure
) who will suggest you are a total numpty for not knowing better in the first place - but heyho isnt that what online forums are all about?Deleted account 210609001
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Can't comment on the aluminium panniers as I've never had them. I'm no slavish fan of BM, having had my fair share of unexpected problems wth my last two bikes (1150GS and current 1200GS), but it is a little unfair to criticise panniers for breaking in a crash. Being "fit for purpose" doesn't include crashing, surely? BM may stretch things by claiming that their bikes are rugged enough to be ridden round the world, but even they don't say they're ok to be crashed.
While the odd spill is to be expected, so is the odd bump on the road. I wonder how many car boards feature threads that say "I can't believe how crap my (insert car brand here) is. I had a crash, only going slowly, and not only did the headlight smash to pieces, but the front wing actually dented!"
If you want to buy extra rugged stuff to survive crashes, that's what the after-market providers are for. You can't really blame BM if the bike is damaged in an accident, can you? Or am I missing something?
While the odd spill is to be expected, so is the odd bump on the road. I wonder how many car boards feature threads that say "I can't believe how crap my (insert car brand here) is. I had a crash, only going slowly, and not only did the headlight smash to pieces, but the front wing actually dented!"
If you want to buy extra rugged stuff to survive crashes, that's what the after-market providers are for. You can't really blame BM if the bike is damaged in an accident, can you? Or am I missing something?
Can't comment on the aluminium panniers as I've never had them. I'm no slavish fan of BM, having had my fair share of unexpected problems wth my last two bikes (1150GS and current 1200GS), but it is a little unfair to criticise panniers for breaking in a crash. Being "fit for purpose" doesn't include crashing, surely? BM may stretch things by claiming that their bikes are rugged enough to be ridden round the world, but even they don't say they're ok to be crashed.
While the odd spill is to be expected, so is the odd bump on the road. I wonder how many car boards feature threads that say "I can't believe how crap my (insert car brand here) is. I had a crash, only going slowly, and not only did the headlight smash to pieces, but the front wing actually dented!"
If you want to buy extra rugged stuff to survive crashes, that's what the after-market providers are for. You can't really blame BM if the bike is damaged in an accident, can you? Or am I missing something?
I'm with Robin on this one - there is no such thing as a "standard" accident. Just cos one prang ripped a Vario off- doesn't mean they are shyte.
Maybe the panniers save your legs in a crash - who cares if you lost £500 quids's worth in the accident??
Al
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Any idea what that might cost to do?
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Thats easy for you to say!
It's also a £14,000 bike that I will be paying for for 3 years with a final payment of over 5K! Whilst I might like to ride it into the ground without a second thought I also have to be practical and think about the residual value in case I am unable to make that final payment. Perhaps you can afford to not care about such things but many of us can not!
Thanks for your input though!
...FFS.........they are panniers. Ride and enjoy your bike and stop worrying about details like that. It's a GS not a bling Harley........
It's also a £14,000 bike that I will be paying for for 3 years with a final payment of over 5K! Whilst I might like to ride it into the ground without a second thought I also have to be practical and think about the residual value in case I am unable to make that final payment. Perhaps you can afford to not care about such things but many of us can not!
Thanks for your input though!
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Dam they are ugly! Very ... ummmmm ... utilitarian!STORM1
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It will get much worse too then some twat will post a response like "what do you expect, its alluminium" and you will feel much better about it then!
If they told us they would look like Sh1t within a few months, no one would buy them! Which of course could be a problem when it comes to selling the bike!!!!!!
I never realised panniers were meant to be beautiful
FFS you will be sticking them on a GS... hardly a work of art in the first place!
Go out, ride and enjoy your bike, stop worrying how the panniers look. Lifes too short...
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Bahnstormer say
Bahnstormer say sorry not covered by warranty but we will give them a polish for you. Currently awaiting the results of this. It seems that if other parts of the bike corrode prematurely it is taken seriously and dealt with under warranty but the panniers can rust to hell as soon as they are bought because they are made of unfinished aluminium. So the BIG question is ....
WHY ARE THEY MADE FROM UNFINISHED ULLUMINIUM?
The spokes on the bike are galvanised because otherwise the would rust in contact with salty roads, the rest of the bike is stainless steel or painted so presumably it doesn’t corrode but they probably didn’t anticipate salt reaching the panniers what with them being so far off the ground!
Bahnstormer say sorry not covered by warranty but we will give them a polish for you. Currently awaiting the results of this. It seems that if other parts of the bike corrode prematurely it is taken seriously and dealt with under warranty but the panniers can rust to hell as soon as they are bought because they are made of unfinished aluminium. So the BIG question is ....
WHY ARE THEY MADE FROM UNFINISHED ULLUMINIUM?
The spokes on the bike are galvanised because otherwise the would rust in contact with salty roads, the rest of the bike is stainless steel or painted so presumably it doesn’t corrode but they probably didn’t anticipate salt reaching the panniers what with them being so far off the ground!
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But the finance is long!
If I wanted a tired old heap of a bike I would have bought second hand but I didnt, I bought new. I looked after it, garaged it and cleaned it but inspite taking all reasonable precautions it now looks like I have ridden it round the world! I wish I had but sadly the clocks only say 1500 miles. Thats why im pissed off.
I never realised panniers were meant to be beautiful
FFS you will be sticking them on a GS... hardly a work of art in the first place!
Go out, ride and enjoy your bike, stop worrying how the panniers look. Lifes too short...
If I wanted a tired old heap of a bike I would have bought second hand but I didnt, I bought new. I looked after it, garaged it and cleaned it but inspite taking all reasonable precautions it now looks like I have ridden it round the world! I wish I had but sadly the clocks only say 1500 miles. Thats why im pissed off.
Anwer: They are made of unfinished aluminium so that they can be repaired easily in the event of a spill and to keep the weight down. Plastic will snap and stainless steel is heavy. Aluminium can be beaten back into shape.
ALL unfinished aluminium panniers will corrode in salt - Touratech panniers are just the same.
Unfinished aluminium panniers will also blacken their contents so don't be surprised at this when you start using them.
Aluminium panniers are designed for long distance travel on third world roads - not to keep their appearance the same as when they left the showroom. You can help maintain the appearance by RS Components foam cleaner for plastic. This is slightly abrasive and requires a bit of elbow grease, but will work - I've used it on my BMW GSA topbox.
An alternative, to help overcome these two problems of appearance, are anodised or powder coated aluminium panniers such as Jesse or Metal Mule etc. I went for Jesse and have used them on three GS's. They can be beaten back into shape, being aluminium, but being coated do not get too corroded too quickly. The downside is they are more expensive than the BMW ones but are narrower and hold 102 litres.
Sorry to p1ss on your fire but thanks to the popularity of the 1200GS(A) there's bugger all residual value in the bikes these days... Simple laws of supply and demand.
Just get out there and ride the damn thing...
M
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With you 100% on this.
'Fitness for purpose' encompasses more than just 'carrying things' as far as panniers are concerned just as it does more than transporting you from A to B as far as the bike itself is concerned.
I'm also of the opinion any Small Claims Court would agree with you which probably accounts for why BMW hand out 'goodwill gestures' when it's clear the claimant has the balls to push the claim all the way. If powder coating/painting can overcome this problem then that's how they should be supplied.
'Fitness for purpose' encompasses more than just 'carrying things' as far as panniers are concerned just as it does more than transporting you from A to B as far as the bike itself is concerned.
I'm also of the opinion any Small Claims Court would agree with you which probably accounts for why BMW hand out 'goodwill gestures' when it's clear the claimant has the balls to push the claim all the way. If powder coating/painting can overcome this problem then that's how they should be supplied.
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I'm the same I like to keep my bikes looking nice, which does help when you come to sell it on, and these panniers get scruffy looking very quickly, so give the guy a break we all have different views on how we like to keep our bikes!
Jimbo
Yes.......................I agree about appearance, but it's surely not a "fit for purpose" issue or a "premium price for premium product" issue or any of the other tired old cliches that are regulary trotted out by the barrack room lawyer brigade - it's common sense and maintenance issue: salty roads = immediate wash and polish plus leave them off when you can
We do have to take some responsiblity for upkeep now and again.
Yes.......................I agree about appearance, but it's surely not a "fit for purpose" issue or a "premium price for premium product" issue or any of the other tired old cliches that are regulary trotted out by the barrack room lawyer brigade - it's common sense and maintenance issue: salty roads = immediate wash and polish plus leave them off when you can
We do have to take some responsiblity for upkeep now and again.
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