People deserting Bmw..?

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Lord Snooty said:
My mate has just taken his S1000RR in for the 18k service - they have informed him there is a problem with the steering damper - £350 to sort, exhaust header valve stuffed - a cool £2100!, ignition barrel problem - £130 plus of course the service cost of £550.

So, if he says Yes to this he is looking at over £3k plus VAT for repairs to a vehicle that has only done 18k miles! Utterly shocking and unacceptable. I have told him to remove the steering damper himself as it probably can be serviced; replace his exhaust headers with Keihan which removes the valve and CAT. I don't think he will be buying another BMW.
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Would your friend happened to be called Marcus by any chance?
 
Can't sat that sales figures entered my head when considering a GSA.

I wanted to move away from sports bikes and the GSA showed up on my radar.

Liked the look of it, rode it, bought it.

Isn't that normally how it works?
 
Carlosfandango said:
me again..

Bike sales down 24% in Sept, 15% down YTD, that is leaving in droves..

Still more sales than 2014 though
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down overall 24% but adv bikes up 0.5% - in fact the only category that is

GSs old more in this half of the year than the equivalent half last year

the droves don't appear to be leaving the GS

the biggest losers continue to be sports bikes (as others have said it's not people leaving bmw as much as people leaving motorcycling)
 
could that be down to all those Africa Twins Honda 'sold' or was it give away? in Sept
 

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Yeh seen that (sad as I am I often look at the registrations release) but in answer, no, as Sept falls into the second half of the year :). I'd expect GS sales to suffer a bit in the second half of the year as some people will be hanging on for the new model?
 
Outtomunch said:
I get what you're saying but for some the whole corporate thang you've described is the antithesis of what we consider riding a bike to be about and a complete turn off.

My KTM dealer is privately owned, they are helpful, friendly and knowledgeable and have a passion for bikes (riding, tuning and competing on them), the stores/parts guy is a cliche of what a stores/parts guy should be (ie incredibly knowledgeable but doesn't suffer fools) and my invoices are had written.

I'm getting to be an old duffer now but that's the sort of bike dealer I've grown up with and that's the sort of bike dealer that I will go out of my way to give my hard earned to :)

Andres
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Privately owned, as are most dealerships whether bike or car. They are helpful, friendly, knowledgeable and have a passion for bikes too, which is why they work in a bike dealership. People who work in bike dealerships ride bikes.


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I loved my BMW. It did all I needed it to do. Easy to service, good advice freely available due to 30 years of development, cheap spare parts and farkles readily available. It was perrfectly set up for me after 7 years. I only moved on because I want to be able to say i owned more than 1 make of bike in my life. That's really it. I got kinda bored with TC every day. I wanted something different. I also wanted something smoother in London. I took the the AT deal cos it was such a stupendous offer. I still test rode the bike and ummed and ahhed. I actually ordered a manual, then cancelled it and got a DCT as it was more of a challenge to learn to ride. Boy am I glad. Yes, I miss my Beemer. I t had great touches and features, but it also had 60k on it and was just losing money against anything I chose to swap to. So the AT deal made sense. And bloody hell, I so love my At now, especially in London traffic. The DCT just makes so much sense. It works and with all the different settings, including manual you cannot get it wrong. Cruise up between 2 lines of traffic and the lights change just as you get to the front and want to put your foot down...nay bother, just hit the throttle...its in first and off you go. In a way, it makes the BMW seem like a dinosaur in the kitchen. Its a 1/3 rd less in terms of money, labour costs are £60 quid an hour and not £85. So yes, I love BMW but theyre' not really changing the game, merely making refinements to a 30 odd year old bike/engine. Add a TFT...a year after KTM...Refine the ABS..nothing new...but more cash..I like the BM but the AT is just fun now. Yes, its not 160bhp or 125bhp and crunchy t gear changes, but its really enjoyable
 
flatdog said:
Swings in roundabouts.
Those of us who are fickle enough, just buy the bike based on what you hear is nice, then bitch and moan and move on to the next fad, Fuck off then.
I ride because I'm passionate about riding bikes, i love my bike and what it does, thats what makes me buy what I want….I base my decisions on what I love, not what other fuckers think I may want.
You're a sad bunch of fuckers buying on a whim…looking for that supreme bikers dream ride, fuck all imagination and trying to live your sad lives through other peoples perceptions.


Oh…and I would never buy the water-cooled beemer.

As they have already made the best bike for my needs.

Ta.
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Ere do not hold back there, ha ha . Even though i own a GSA 2014 ( my first) My RT 1150 2002 is still, to me, the best all round bike i have owned, 72,000 miles from new,last single plug model, most sorted , has never missed a beat nor major work required other than a Battery and one coil in ownership. Will the GSA hold out similar, pinkies crossed. At 63 now, can't see me riding it in ten yrs time.
 
andyscott said:
1. Dealers have always been amazing for me
2. R1200gs and HP4 have had no trouble with quality
3. Price is good for what you get.
4. There isnt any, even the KTM shit (engines are terrible)
5. Never
6. You should factor this in, if its too expensive go elsewhere, or buy a cheaper bike, like the rest of the peasants.
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Both my KTM engines are fantastic
 
All good stories, I’m a big Bmw fan, i have a garage full of them, R1200Gs Rallye, R9Turban, R1200c Independant, K1200s.. had others tho but the availability of dealers scattered across the world is important to me.. (should have added that on initial post...

I started this post mainly because I’ve recently seen bikers selling all their Bmw bike gear & Farkles
 
I've had no issues with my gs lc,the dealer is helpful and knowledgeable,the bike is the best bike for all purpose riding that I've owned(and that's about 40 since 1983).KTM dealerships locally are feckin useless and the thought of having to deal with them if one was to have a problem makes me shudder.If the opposition sort the customer service side out then BMW might have something to worry about but until then I'll keep on riding my gs.
 
I’m not entirely sure customers are deserting BMW, last weekend, as per nearly every weekend I struggled to park outside my local dealer, the bike sales team were flat out and there was a queue to pay for accessories. You still see ten times as many GS variants as all the other large adventure bikes put together.

I didn’t visit the KTM dealer, but I have many times as they have a great m/c clothing shop, I’ve never seen it very busy.

Maybe I’m wearing rose tinted glasses and it would really suit me if BMW were a little less popular.

I should add this is my 3rd GS, none have had any issues (touch wood) including the current 15000 mile WC. GSA.
 
Becksy said:
There no problems with BMW. Their dealers are the best in the business. Often in the same building as car dealerships, and therefore premium brand levels of professionalism. A world of difference to the likes of Ducati, KTM etc.


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Agreed on this. Moreover, BMW are still on top spot and have 3 bikes on the UK top 10 again this year so far (2017 has been a bad year for bikes withUK large bike sales being 20% down vs last year).

I think perceptions from friends and people we know “many people recently selling up” as per opening statement, are by definition flawed.

Of course there are people who try other stuff, because they want variety or are tired of bad quality and niggles.

Finally, BMW are the brand whose customers are most likely to have more than one bike at the same time. Not sure what this means in marketing terms, (a bit like saying the average Aston Martin is someone’s 3rd or 4th car in aggregate) apart from premiumness...
 
adventuredon said:
I loved my BMW. It did all I needed it to do. Easy to service, good advice freely available due to 30 years of development, cheap spare parts and farkles readily available. It was perrfectly set up for me after 7 years. I only moved on because I want to be able to say i owned more than 1 make of bike in my life. That's really it. I got kinda bored with TC every day. I wanted something different. I also wanted something smoother in London. I took the the AT deal cos it was such a stupendous offer. I still test rode the bike and ummed and ahhed. I actually ordered a manual, then cancelled it and got a DCT as it was more of a challenge to learn to ride. Boy am I glad. Yes, I miss my Beemer. I t had great touches and features, but it also had 60k on it and was just losing money against anything I chose to swap to. So the AT deal made sense. And bloody hell, I so love my At now, especially in London traffic. The DCT just makes so much sense. It works and with all the different settings, including manual you cannot get it wrong. Cruise up between 2 lines of traffic and the lights change just as you get to the front and want to put your foot down...nay bother, just hit the throttle...its in first and off you go. In a way, it makes the BMW seem like a dinosaur in the kitchen. Its a 1/3 rd less in terms of money, labour costs are £60 quid an hour and not £85. So yes, I love BMW but theyre' not really changing the game, merely making refinements to a 30 odd year old bike/engine. Add a TFT...a year after KTM...Refine the ABS..nothing new...but more cash..I like the BM but the AT is just fun now. Yes, its not 160bhp or 125bhp and crunchy t gear changes, but its really enjoyable
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+1

Africa Twin appreciation society.

Was out on mine yesterday. Done 220 miles came home through horrible commuting traffic.

Sports bike : 0
Africa Twin : 1

So while filtering through heavy Dual Carriageway traffic I could see ahead gap was too narrow. So pulled aside early and let the following sports bike passed, and he squeezed through leaving me stuck. Shortly after the lorries became staggered and I got through and caught up Sports bike rider who was now stuck. Epic Win to follow....

I traversed to the right, between two cars, jumped up onto the curb and across a widened section of raised, gravelled, weedy, littered, garbage no mans land for 200 meters, stood up on my pegs past all the stationary traffic. To bump down the curb the other side and continue leaving Sports biker rider stuck, never to be seen again.

Love my Africa Twin and knobbly tyres.

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