Pickin up 650 Dakar on Sat

Judging by the photos you'll almost fit in, just need your hair to fall out and put on another few stone :D:D:D:D

Sorry to hear about your past, I nearly lost my brother a few years back which made me change my ways. VFR is still in peices in the garage though, can't bring myself to put it back on the road.

I converted the 1150 tankbag to fit on the Dak, keep an eye out in the for sale section of the forum. Cost me about £50 in total. Just need to do a bit of stitching and buy a cheap little braket from the 650 bag. You could of course wait for a 650 bag to appear but they are like rocking horse poo.

If it has road based tyres I can still show you a few lanes but better with the knobblies :thumb

Just PM me when ya wanna have a go fella.

The North West meets are at the Windmill on junction 19 of the M6. Last Tuesday of the month, just check the NW section on the forum.

Good luck with the bike fella, you'll learn to love it :thumb
 
either snoopy is talking complete bollocks / doesn't know how to use the throttle correctly or he lives near a lot of fast cars. The dak will do 0 - 60 in 6 seconds. Faster than most of the cars you'll see on the roads. I've never been out accelerated by a car on my dakar. It will accelerate just fine over 70 too, not as fast as a sportsbike but still quick enough.

Just plan your overtakes more than you would on the sportsbikes and you'll be fine :thumb2
 
either snoopy is talking complete bollocks / doesn't know how to use the throttle correctly or he lives near a lot of fast cars. The dak will do 0 - 60 in 6 seconds. Faster than most of the cars you'll see on the roads. I've never been out accelerated by a car on my dakar. It will accelerate just fine over 70 too, not as fast as a sportsbike but still quick enough.

Just plan your overtakes more than you would on the sportsbikes and you'll be fine :thumb2

I'm thinking about modding the gearing for acceleration...may lose a little top end and fuel consumption may go up a little, but will decrease 0-60 to below 6 seconds, and will improve off roadability (and wheelies ). Am also thinking about getting a spare set of wheels, one with road tires/gearing and one with nobblies...will be a while before I have spare cash for the list of stuff I already know I need (or more like...want!)

If it has road based tyres I can still show you a few lanes but better with the knobblies :thumb

Just PM me when ya wanna have a go fella.

The North West meets are at the Windmill on junction 19 of the M6. Last Tuesday of the month, just check the NW section on the forum.

Good luck with the bike fella, you'll learn to love it :thumb

Here's a piccy of the Dak...knobblies n all (Conti Twinduro's)...I guess they're not quite full on knobblies, but road legal adventure tires. I think they're standard fitment on the big GS Adventure.

So...will be ready for some laning on way home from Watford :eyesdown
 
For a quick and cheap gearing mod try dropping a tooth off the front sprocket (down from a 16 tooth to a 15) according to the f650 font of all knowledge (f650.com) you can run the standard length chain with no issues. Speedo won't be affected as its a direct drive from the rear abs sensor (even if you don't have abs the rear sensor is still used for the speedo)

Nice looking bike btw, is than a ukgser sticker i spot there :D
 
That's a UKGSer sticker alright :thumb

TKC80's they are my friend, and the same tyre I'm running at the mo. A reasonable on/off road tyre, so you're ready to get laning :bounce1:bounce1:bounce1

Look up how to check the oil because they do use a bit and it's an arse to check (warm it up, leave it etc etc). Not as bad as the big twins though for using oil.

First mod has to be the Chain guide for off roading, let's you run the chain a bit looser and stops it from coming off.
 
Now officially a TOSSER

OK guys…I am now officially a Gee Essing Tosser after a nightmare train ride to Watford via LONDON on Saturday!

Bike Report:

Upon arrival (3 hours late) at the seller’s premises the bike was wheeled out for my inspection.

It was grubby and hadn’t been cleaned in some time…I cannot imagine myself ever trying to sell a bike without polishing it till I can see my balls through by my jeans in the reflection, however, the low price I paid reflects this! That said, the bike is in very good condition although it is obvious it has been greenlaned and dropped, which I had already been informed of…the only evidence of this is the deep scratching on the headlamp surround, and the dull but clean silver paint job to the plastics.

I was given the key and left to continue my inspection:
Bike started almost instantly on the first press of the button from cold, and sounded just a tiny little bit rattly…While the engine warmed I checked it over giving it my mini MOT test, which it almost passed with flying colours, the only fault I could find was a barely weeping LHS fork seal. I think this would still pass an MOT with an advisory, although it will require a new seal soon. It did pass an MOT in March, and I don’t think the bikes been used since.

With the engine warm and no more rattle, I checked the oil level, before going for a short spin around the small industrial area. I noticed a reasonable amount of poke, which brought a grin as the front began to leave the ground. Brakes seemed good, nice riding position and a very roomy seat! The only niggle I have is finding neutral, which can be a little tricky, does anyone else have this problem?

I returned to the workshop with a skid on the rear brake, and paid the very patient and helpful man his money.

So I hit the road, filled up a mile away, and headed for Coventry.

The bike rides straight and smooth, although the vibration of the knobblies on the tarmac can be felt slightly. Handling is very good, although with the knobblies on it, I found myself running wide once or twice at roundabouts, which once I was getting confident with the bike, I was gunning through fairly aggressively (poor thing!).

On the M1 up to Cov, the bike was very happy to cruise at 80 unladen, and I think 90 is probably cruisable too, although I don’t do that kind of thing anymore do I :rolleyes:at least not till I get to France! I don’t do top speed tests anymore either, and I did not see the needle approaching 110 before I ran out of space ;) Therefore I cannot be thinking that there is still a few more MPH’s available:thumb

Gears are well spaced, and apart from finding first, which seems to mainly happen with a hefty shove on the pedal and followed by a heavy klunk, and finding neutral which can sometimes be tricky, gear changing is silky smooth with or without clutch.

The superb twin spark Rotax provides Torque in spades, from around 2000rpm and up through the range, although when the limiter kicks in, it can be a bit more of a surprise than I’m used to on my sportsbikes, with the front end tending to dive. I only hit the limiter twice, and in my new guise as a ssslllloooowww tosser, this will not be happening often. What was most impressive was the engine braking, which allowed for minimal use of the brakes on the A41 when heading back home this evening.

Around half way home from Cov, the fuel warning light came on and stayed on after 167 miles. I have no idea how much is in reserve once the light comes on, so I stopped and filled up again almost immediately. I also have no idea where the reserve switch is, or even if the bike has one (comments would be appreciated)…I thought the range was a little lower than I had been expecting, however, to that point, the bike had been travelling on the motorway, and at fairly high speeds, and I had been being fairly heavy with the throttle, just to get used to the bike and find out how she performs. I imagine that on my commute, the range will increase quite significantly. (both my sports bikes will travel 150-165 miles before asking for reserve, although mad riding will reduce that significantly).

On the A41 from the M54 to Chester the performance is perfect, cruising a 70 where possible. There were many Sunday crawlers out, and the bike dealt with them very efficiently, with easy overtaking provided by the single pot although opening the gas one or two seconds earlier than my much much quicker sports bikes is required.

Guess what…I even managed to squeeze in a little off road action in the parking fields where we went to see the Warwickshire Farmers Fair before I headed home today. Got the rear spinning up nicely!

Controls are well positioned and comprehensive, and I love the factory installed heated grips, which I used, as I only used my leather summer gloves, for which there is no protection from the wind. Yet.

The small but quite tall screen provides plenty of protection to the head from the buffeting of the wind, although my shoulders started to get a little chilly…I guess I’ve been pampered by my CBR and VFR in that respect, closing the vents on my jacket would have helped! The only other unfaired bikes I’ve ridden in the last four years have been my dirtbikes, which run at much lower speeds, and wind is not really a problem for them.

The Verdict: This bike is great, and I have no explanation for Snoopy’s comments other than he got a lemon…I can’t wait to head for Morocco!

Whats next: When warm the idle is a little high, so I’ll be adjusting that soon. I did notice that my Arai Corsair is very noisy when up that high in the atmosphere…it’s getting on now and so I can see the purchase of a new lid on the horizon…any one got any suggestions for a Bluetooth lid? Will be giving it another lick of paint very soon, going back to blue and silver, but of my own design. I’ve already found a spare rear wheel on ebay…cost me £12 with worn knobbly, this and another front will be shod with road rubber for the winter commute. Anyone got any suggestions for road tires? Front sprocket is going to lose a tooth, and will sort a chain guide very soon. I shall be looking into hard panniers etc…although I think my throwovers will do me for a while. Need a new tank bag, as I don’t think I can use my magnetic one…unless I fit magnets or steel to the underside of the fake tank…anyone got any input on that? A pair of Brush guards, and probably renthal bars round up this list of wants. I'm sure there will be many more items in the future!

Flipfly...I guess this is a bit more than you were expecting...but you did ask :beerjug:
 
Great report fella :thumb

They do Idle high, mine sits at 1500 rpm. With it being injected I don't think it's easy to adjust.

Road tyres...............not sure but conti escapes are an excellent dual purpose tyre (it's what I'll fit for my trip to the alps in August).

When the light comes on you should only get 13-14 litres in the tank. You'll get another 30-40 miles with the light on. Pretty good mpg considering your speed and it only has a little tank (17ltr IIRC).

We are out on Sat next week if ya feeling brave, it'll be an early start though :thumb
 
Glad you seem to like it . The rattle is probably the hydraulic cam chain tensioner, once oil pressure builds up it'll be fine. Get a set off tt fork guards or neoprene seal savers and you won't have a problem with the seals. May get away with that one by cleaning the seal with a thin piece of card or something. :thumb2 I've heard of people roughing up the seal sufrace with very fine wet and dry, wrap it around the fork leg (abrasive side out) and work it around and into the seal :nenau

Neutral can be a bit hit and miss, either pop it into neutral when coming to a stop or give the engine a bit of a rev when you are stopped (and in 1st) and it'll go in fine. Neutral / first gear is a case of 'they all do that sir' :rob Don't go pampering the thing, they love to be revved hard, i think they enjoy it. ;)The real top speed will be around 100, the clock is a little optimistic at the top end, 115 is about the most i've seen on the clocks. The limiter is a little harsh too, in a brick wall kind of way :D

The bike has no reserve, just that little light. Mine comes on at around 140 miles and 12 liters. Have had it as high as 170 with the same amount of fuel. All depends if you thrash it .As flipfly said they do idle quite high, nothing to worry about really. I rate tourances as a good road tire. On nearly 7000 with plenty of tread left and not a lot of unused tread at the sides :augie

Trust me on this, snoopy did not get a lemon, micky would never do that :augie:D
 
…I thought the range was a little lower than I had been expecting, however, to that point, the bike had been travelling on the motorway, :

Fuel consumption....you drive a land Rover Defender !!!:D
Tickover as stated is about 1,500..most thumpers are high.

You know where I am if you need any help :thumb2
 
Fuel consumption....you drive a land Rover Defender !!!:D
You know where I am if you need any help :thumb2

I ride bikes most of the time Kenny!

I use the Defender when I have to, or when out on my mini adventures (camping, fly fishing in wild location's etc...I even have a couple of backpacker rods for the bikes) I love scaring the wildlife with the stereo, which kicks ass too! Planning on getting a Canadian Canoe also, but I think that'll just have to wait!

I mentioned the fuel consumption cos I'm a tight tw@ n hate spendin me pennies, still broke though...effin ebay!! Actually, I was more concerned about the range...but if it'll give me 200 per tank full when I'm not charging at 80 on the motorway, that's gotta be pretty good.

Defender does 25 to the gallon no matter what I'm doin or how loaded she is, not bad for over two tons of Iron and Ally, goes like :spitfire too, untill cruisin on the Motorway, is best to sit there at around 65 or it's quite noisy! Don't get me goin on too much about it tho, or I'll start ranting about how Deisel costs more than V-Power!!!! I decided to get Defender the last time I went to 9 points :bounce1 as I had collected more points in a Citroen moochin through contra flows than I had on me bikes! It Sips the juice when out laning! It's the best car I've ever had, and It'll be a cold day in hell if I find myself without one in future. I want to take it to Morocco too...with a bike slung on the back! I'd be happy to be a support vehicle if anyone were headin that way, Although I calc'd it would cost a grand in fuel and ferries! Bike for that trip would be the XR.

OK fella's, thanks for all your help and advice...I am well pleased with the bike :likeit and have rerranged the garage so I can get it in and can't get the fast ones out! Too many bikes (that's not possible)...At least one has to go, and it's gonna be the CBR...I've had me fun on it, and it's too easy to go too fast!

The VFR...I was going to let that go too, but it was my Dad's work in progress, and I got it and finished it after his murder (I'm not bitter at all!!) So it will be hard to part with...besides an RC36 is giong to be a very sought after classic in 15 years or so. So if I can afford to, I'm gonna try n keep it...maybe SORN it, at least for a while, I can keep it in Mum's Garage with my XJ650 chopper project, which has been waiting for 3 years to get started!

Jeez...as a rule I don't talk that much, but I am finding myself goin on n on here :type...is that a bad thing? :topic oops!!!!!

OK...Flip...Sat sounds very tempting...but just how early are we talking? And don't forget...I'm only used to liggle bikes on the dirt, so be gentle :mmmm

:beerjug: all for your interest in my new acquisition...I hope to meet you all sometime soon...

PS: I found a guy who has two 19" F650 front wheels up for grabs...I will be seeing him in a week or so, to pick up my rear...fronts will be real world price unlike the rear, but if anyone want's one, let me know...one has a TCK and tother is a Conti road tire, both with only a couple of hundred miles on em...If you want one, let me know and I'll see if I can work a deal Reckon I could get both fronts for well under £200
 
Keep an eye out in the Derbyshire section, normally 8.30-9am at Katies Kitchen on the A623 (15 minutes from Buxton).

It'll be a do-able ride, challenging but trust me you'll love it. The Dak is very easy to ride off road and forgiving for a lump :thumb

I have the first of the single sided VFRs too, great bike. I'll get it sorted one day :augie
 
Keep an eye out in the Derbyshire section, normally 8.30-9am at Katies Kitchen on the A623 (15 minutes from Buxton).

It'll be a do-able ride, challenging but trust me you'll love it. The Dak is very easy to ride off road and forgiving for a lump :thumb

I have the first of the single sided VFRs too, great bike. I'll get it sorted one day :augie

Ya, you mentioned yer VFR, was it your brothers? I think it's definately worth keepin hold of and getting it back together, if you need plastics Alcamoto in Scotland had a lot of bits most of the time but I've lost his info. Mines a pro arm too...Dad rode an earlier one and got this one crash damaged. A mate in back California had an early interceptor too, which I used to ride a fair bit...I had a CB750 at that time...What a difference! Bulletproof, as are most Honda's. Mines never let me down once since I got it on the road nearly 4 years ago, just put a clutch in last month, and chain n sprox...that's what I was riding when I had my recent scrape with the law.

OK...I imagine it's gonna take getting up around 6 then, which is'nt too bad (:barf)...will keep me off the beer Fri also - lol! I'll see if I can make it. Maybe I can hook up with you in Cheshire and we'll ride down together.
 
VFR was mine and wifeys first bike together :hug

We could meet up at the Texeco garage on junction 17 if ya fancy. I reckon about 7.30am.

I'll pm ya my number just in case you can't make it or you are running late :thumb
 
Sorted

OK...so I hardly got a chance to ride the Dak thru my first week of ownersahip, due to having to run control panels and plotter paper around the Wirral and Southport. Worked at home on other days, so the Dak was only grabbed for a quick spin here n there...
UNTIL SATURDAY!!!!

Dak and myself were subjected to a baptism of fire...getting stuck, but not too broken a couple of times.

Fortunately, the Derbyshire Lads were available to push me out of trouble and even provide spare parts after riding home for them!

10 hours on the DAKAR on road and off road...

I love the bike, although it took a morning to adjust to (and still maybe more??)

Cheers to Skygod for proposing such an awesome weekend, Flipfly, for always grinning and Rich, Mick Jeff, Ian and the rest of the Derbyshire crew for a total blast! Also the plodder who turned me toward a whole new way of life.

:beerjug:
 
I think Snoopy's had a relapse :eek:

The Dakar was the best thing since sliced bread when he first bought the Dakar, handling, suspension all extolled in previous posts :eek:

"No acceleration over 70mph".... utter bollox, that bike flew like a bird over 70mph and has upset a few rice rockets on der Nürburgring. Whatya done to it Snoops? errr you need to keep it buzzing boy!

"Taken every ounce of fun out of biking"? ... utter bollox, perhaps you're just growing old quickly :eek:

"Fuel sipping motor and comfort which it has over the F800GS"? ... utter bollox... the F800GS motor is far more frugal than the 650GS and as for comfort I'm not aware that you've ridden the F800GS to any extent?

If your Dakar has any faults it appears to me to be the rider :eek:

Sorry matie :beerjug:

Micky
 
VFR was mine and wifeys first bike together :hug

We could meet up at the Texeco garage on junction 17 if ya fancy. I reckon about 7.30am.

I'll pm ya my number just in case you can't make it or you are running late :thumb

Flip...

Bikes was off the road for a couple of weeks...I've given it a face lift (at least the front end)...just got to wait for arrival of me bits from TT, n I'll be sorted (before phase two of the paint job that is!)
 

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I like it!!!

Just needs a bit of dirt on it now you've got it all clean again :D:D:D
 
Nice looking ride Ian, get yourself over here again and we will muck it up for you.
 


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