Pinlock fogging

[yoyo]

The other half has a Neotec 3 that is having issues with condensation forming on the surface of the pinlock. If it was between the visor and insert it would be because it wasn't fitted properly but this can be wiped off. The nose guard is fitted and front vent it open.

Any ideas? We've used Neotec 2 and 3 for years and all have steamed up outside of the pinlock but this one seems different.

I tried getting her to hold her breath but she gave up after 3 minutes

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[Bem]

The other half has a Neotec 3 that is having issues with condensation forming on the surface of the pinlock. If it was between the visor and insert it would be because it wasn't fitted properly but this can be wiped off. The nose guard is fitted and front vent it open.

Any ideas? We've used Neotec 2 and 3 for years and all have steamed up outside of the pinlock but this one seems different.

I tried getting her to hold her breath but she gave up after 3 minutes

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Planning on upgrading to a 3 very shortly so interested by this.
In both my 1 & 2 I have had to remove the breath guard underneath otherwise......
I assume this is because it sits low on my head because of follicular challenge, or it might be heavy breathing.
The "closer" fit of the 3 will exagerate this trend.
I might pay for a personal fitting.

 

[Arsey]

Planning on upgrading to a 3 very shortly so interested by this.
In both my 1 & 2 I have had to remove the breath guard underneath otherwise......
I assume this is because it sits low on my head because of follicular challenge, or it might be heavy breathing.
The "closer" fit of the 3 will exagerate this trend.
I might pay for a personal fitting.

No issues on my 3 .
Had the PFS done at Motolegends which was free.
Definitely worth it as helmet is now much quieter and all day comfy

 

[Oldrat]

I’d still check the seal.

Take a corner from a fresh sheet of paper and see if you can slide it between the visor and the PL, anywhere around the edge.

My guess is that the seal isn’t seated properly.

 

[leadfarmer]

You can turn the pins that hold the pinlock to make sure it’s fitted tightly, I think I even got the tool to do it with my Neotech 3, otherwise small pliers will do the trick

Removing the chin curtain will also help but obviously it will be more noisy, personally I can’t ride with a chin curtain as I don’t get enough ventilation

 

[richardbd]

If it’s on the outside of the PinLock (ie inside the helmet, not between PinLock and visor) in my experience it’s caused by faulty or damaged hydrophobic coating on the PinLock - usually a result of age or too much enthusiasm in the cleaning.

 

[er-minio]

What leadfarmer says: try adjusting the pins.

I replace the pinlock every once in a while... I think I have a penchant for ruining them.
I do not remember if this was written on this forum, or another I am on, but if you ever clean the pinlock, you have to let it dry for 24/48 hours before putting it back on, otherwise you'll trap moisture in.

 

[adventuredon]

If it’s on the outside of the PinLock (ie inside the helmet, not between PinLock and visor) in my experience it’s caused by faulty or damaged hydrophobic coating on the PinLock - usually a result of age or too much enthusiasm in the cleaning.

I have just replaced my system 6 visor. Old visor was fogging up. New visor came with a pinlock fitted. So never been cleaned or touched or adjusted. I still get a light misting on the inside of the helmet. No chin guard on so add this to your database of finding out what is causing it.

 

[yoyo]

The fogging is inside the helmet not between the pinlock and visor, I did the folded paper test after fitting it.

The lid and pinlock are a couple of months old and been used a handful of times.

I've swapped the visor and pinlock with mine without touching it to see if theres a difference in ventilation of the lid. I'll also get her to remove the chin guard to see if that helps.


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[zoltan]

The fogging is inside the helmet

And I thought it’s only mine. Had the same issue with the BMW System 7. Pinlock 120. Removed it and followed the cleaning instructions from here. Didn’t help.
I have now a new 7 Pro, doesn’t have this issue.

 

[Santa-2512]

An inner visor is not a guarantee of any visor staying clear, they now rate inner visors with a time stamp which equates to how long the inner visor will stay clear ( In certain conditions)

As others have said, check the visor pins, and see if adjustable ones are available, remove both visors and clean in cool soapy water, let air dry and wipe with a clean lint free cloth to remove spotting, and reassemble, making sure the inner and outer visors seal completely

 

[Berin]

If it’s on the outside of the PinLock (ie inside the helmet, not between PinLock and visor) in my experience it’s caused by faulty or damaged hydrophobic coating on the PinLock - usually a result of age or too much enthusiasm in the cleaning.

This could be it. Mrs Berin commutes into London every day and after 2-3 years the pin locks always start to mist up.

I fit a new one and then it’s fine for another 2-3 years.

Mine last much longer, but I’m no longer on the bike every day

 

[J biker]

I stopped using pinlock some time ago. It always fails after time, proper wet days when on tour are a given. Typically failing when most wanted (St Bernard pass when rain turns to snow…) They reach a saturation point. They also cause light distortion, with decreased clarity of vision on sunny days.
There is no substitute for airflow, keeping the visor clean and using an anti fog spray, before every ride. I carry a small pocket spray in my jacket pocket. Different screens, bikes will affect air to vents. Chin guard can be an issue for stopping air flow too, removing chinguard can lead to more unwanted insects in the summer..

I should add that I dont do short rides, though the pinlock seems to still fail fairly quickly..

 

[TonyZZR]

100% agree with J biker. Been using pinlock for years until my latest one failed last year. I now use old school Bob Heath anti fog on the drop down sun visor and main visor before every ride. Vision is so much clearer without the PL, especially at night.

 

[karlakGS]

Have a Neotec 3 with Pinlock and having exactly the same issue.

Out a few weeks ago when temps were cool and pouring rain, it was awful. Misted up pretty much the whole of the inside, on the inside of the pinlock, not between the pinlock and visor.
On a little ride yesterday, no rain, but bloody cold. And got the misting again, had to crank the visor to get it to clear.

Will check the fit etc. again, but all seemed fine. Starting to think it is a ventilation issue when the temps and conditions allow for the problem. Did also wonder if now I have a GS, with better wind protection, there is less airflow hitting the lower vent.

 

[Victor c]

Pinlock inserts will form condensation on the outer surface if there is not sufficient ventilation in the helmet. The product designation indicates how much time this takes i.e Pinlock 70 will take 70 seconds and the 120 will take 120 seconds. I have a Neotec 2 and when riding my GSA use a mesh chin curtain in it, rather than the standard leatherette curtain. This helps massively with preventing condensation and also allows more air flow in hotter weather.
Link for Neotec 3 https://www.shoei-europe.com/shop/en/spareparts/flip-up-helmets/neotec3/4381/chin-curtain-m-neo3

 

[J biker]

Have a Neotec 3 with Pinlock and having exactly the same issue.

Did also wonder if now I have a GS, with better wind protection, there is less airflow hitting the lower vent.

Highly likely. I used Shoei hornet for a while, really liked it. But when it rained, the water did not clear from the visor which caused big problems with vision. Taking the peak off helped but not practical to fit/remove/refit according to conditions. Didnt have the same issue on the previous bike a 1290gt KTM.

It is all a balancing act. Clean air, buffeting, rain clearance..ventilation. With screen changes, helmet changes etc all influencing what works in which conditions. In fact, even high jacket collars compared to low collars make a difference ((Rukka textile versus a leather jacket eg.)
I now prefer the smallest GS screen, so I can have airflow in hot weather but also airflow to the helmet vents and to blow rain off the surface of the visor.

 

[glenn2926]

I just crack open the visor a couple of mm on my Neotec 3. This stops the fogging up.

 

[john1961]

I just crack open the visor a couple of mm on my Neotec 3. This stops the fogging up.

am surprised no body has come up with a better system than pinlock,

 

[glenn2926]

am surprised no body has come up with a better system than pinlock,

They have, there’s a heated visor available. I read it a couple of weeks back. People have been riding motorbikes for over a hundred years now. They have all managed one way or another to see where they’re going.
Just cracking open the visor a mm or two stops mine fogging up. It’s hardly the end of the world.