Pole support for hammock on open ground.

Tubing will take a big load, in compression or tension, but if there's a bending force it'll fold.
Yep, which is why I said I think I got the angles wrong and they were angled in too much. Not having seen the system in the flesh I am still adjusting / guessing.
 
Yep, which is why I said I think I got the angles wrong and they were angled in too much. Not having seen the system in the flesh I am still adjusting / guessing.
It's why I initially thought it would be an A frame, with one Guy/tie, two in compression, to share the load and, I think, better stability.
 
It's why I initially thought it would be an A frame, with one Guy/tie, two in compression, to share the load and, I think, better stability.
Have a look at the you toob videos I linked earlier. They show the system in action, I can't see what I am doing wrong to not be able to replicate it.
 
Have a look at the you toob videos I linked earlier. They show the system in action, I can't see what I am doing wrong to not be able to replicate it.
I don't doubt one will work, it's just two's better.
 
Got it! Looking at dozens of setups, I have noticed the hammock is hung lower down the pole than I did. I tried it with the hammock hanging from the TOP of th epole - all these others, except the broom handle version, which was only about 3'6" long the hammock is hung from about 2/3rds up and the guy lines are also supporting from the same place as the hammock hang. It is only the ridge line for the fly sheet (tarp) that goes from the top.

I shall try again tomorrow and see how I get on.
 
Got it! Looking at dozens of setups, I have noticed the hammock is hung lower down the pole than I did. I tried it with the hammock hanging from the TOP of th epole - all these others, except the broom handle version, which was only about 3'6" long the hammock is hung from about 2/3rds up and the guy lines are also supporting from the same place as the hammock hang. It is only the ridge line for the fly sheet (tarp) that goes from the top.

I shall try again tomorrow and see how I get on.
Mmm, I’d be careful about that.

If the hammock is slung from the top, same as the guys, there is no bending moment on the poles, they are only loaded in compression.

If you hold the ends (ground, guy ropes), and pull in the middle (you’re the catenary), you’ll bend the poles. Even if the bending doesn’t kink them, it makes the Euler collapse calculations invalid, and so you’re flying blind…

Key assumption of the Euler calcs is that the poles are straight and the ends “pin jointed”, ie the poles are only loaded in pure compression.

Do please set up the camera…
 
We need the plans Simon, pictures are needed, also if you do any testing please do set up a camera and launch the drone…it will be most entertaining, so don’t forget:D
 
Mmm, I’d be careful about that.

If the hammock is slung from the top, same as the guys, there is no bending moment on the poles, they are only loaded in compression.

If you hold the ends (ground, guy ropes), and pull in the middle (you’re the catenary), you’ll bend the poles. Even if the bending doesn’t kink them, it makes the Euler collapse calculations invalid, and so you’re flying blind…

Key assumption of the Euler calcs is that the poles are straight and the ends “pin jointed”, ie the poles are only loaded in pure compression.

Do please set up the camera…
So what angle do the poles need to be at in order to get them only in compression? This is the bit I am struggling with that all other uses have no problem with.
 
The best solution I can think of is a tripod at each end. With guys attached it would be stable and strong and if the legs are adjustable then almost any ground would be okay

Edit to add after a very brief search they do exist


But you could design your own
 
Who’s Alistair? :nenau I’m Antony! :D None taken. :thumb2
I'm Alastair which is similar if that helps

Edit to add, clearly I've just read the objective on page 1 then the current status on page 5 so a tripod may already have been suggested
 
So what angle do the poles need to be at in order to get them only in compression? This is the bit I am struggling with that all other uses have no problem with.
If the hammock and the guys are fixed at the same point on the pole, any point, the pole is in compression.
The angle, within reason, doesnt matter
Fix them at different places on the pole and there will be a bending force
 
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It has been interesting to ‘watch’ Simon’s experiments. At least he is having a go (y)

It got me wondering as to when the first man conceived of a hammock, and when a man first dreamed up the notion of suspending the hammock when there are no trees? The maths of the physics behind it are quite complicated, I guess. I wonder who, in the distant past, quantified them? Newton? Archimedes?
 
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It has been interesting to ‘watch’ Simon’s experiments. At least he is having a go (y)

It got me wondering as to when the first man conceived of a hammock, and when a man first dreamed up the notion of suspending the hammock when there are no trees? The maths of the physics behind it are quite complicated, I guess. I wonder who, in the distant past, quantified them? Newton? Archimedes?
Newton, he used to use a hammock until the day an apple tree fell over and he landed on the ground. He stuck to gravity after that.
 
The best solution I can think of is a tripod at each end. With guys attached it would be stable and strong and if the legs are adjustable then almost any ground would be okay

Edit to add after a very brief search they do exist


But you could design your own
The guy lines for the tripod on the single pole system. It has been around for a decade or so and working happily in the USA. I could buy a Tensa Solo system, which is what I am trying to reproduce, but to buy ONE pole and anchors works out at £400 landed in the UK.... I need 2 poles! Hence me trying to make the system over here from what we have available.
 


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