Proposed Byway closure (partial) Byway 73 Froncysyllte, Llangollen area.

Wrexhan County Borough Council has now formally decided to downgrade and/or these BOATS.

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hi i was up this way a few weeks ago and it is still blocked. has there been any progress with this.
thanks
matt
 
hi i was up this way a few weeks ago and it is still blocked. has there been any progress with this.
thanks
matt

No.
WBCC are useless.
Keep using it and enjoying it.
Have you sent in any objection to the proposed order?

T.
 
no. i wouldnt know how to word it. could you please send me an example of whats needed.
thanks
 
no. i wouldnt know how to word it. could you please send me an example of whats needed.
thanks


I believe action is being taken by WBCC to close Byway 73 in Llangollen area.
I object to this proposal having used the route where possible with my motorcycle for some time.
The only action that is required by WBCC is to remove the fencing obstruction and reinstate the route from the quarry heading South.



Put your name and address to it and send it to:-

rightsofway@wrexham.gov.uk


T.
 
I believe action is being taken by WBCC to close Byway 73 in Llangollen area.
I object to this proposal having used the route where possible with my motorcycle for some time.
The only action that is required by WBCC is to remove the fencing obstruction and reinstate the route from the quarry heading South.



Put your name and address to it and send it to:-

rightsofway@wrexham.gov.uk


T.

Just done it.

Paul
 
Hello

New person here, I found the forum through a Google search which lead me to this thread so sorry for bumping something 5 months old.... :D

I went out yesterday up the upper section of this byway and came across the notices at the fence saying the council were planning to make the order to close the byway (well, downgrade to a footpath) unless objections are received by 27th January in which case it will go to the planning inspector for him to decide.

Does anybody fancy a last ditch attempt to try and save it?

According to the decision notice which the council sent me, the reason for closing it is that none of the maps the council have looked at show it as a track or any sort of road for vehicles. Some maps show it as a footpath, but others don't mention what it is. There is no mention of any dispute over the route (i.e diversion due to the quarry). By this logic, part of the lower sections shouldn't be a BOAT as some old maps show this as a footpath.
There is no mention in this notice about it being dangerous, unsuitable, wrong alignment, unused etc.

In order to make an objection, the council need evidence. From what I can tell, that means proof that it is a byway and not a footpath.

Does anyone have any ideas on where to look for such a thing? :nenau
 
Please contact Tim Stevens at LARA. He can advise on best method for you..
I must admit that at this level the fight is over my head, and it needs serious ROW specialists to present a strong arguement.
Saying that, I will be sending in my objection, and i ask all that have used this trail, and believe me there are a fair few ukgsers that have, and join the fight against this order.
One of the evidential charts that Wrexham Borough County Council had a serious flaw on it. This will be one of my points of objection. Other points will be that WBCC have upheld there duty to keep the route 'open to all traffic', which is illegal. Instead they have found only documents that could suggest the route never existed, there will be docs somewhere stating different, since the Definative Maps have been created since the first sign that the vehicular route was present.
Ok, please do fire an objection in, as if this order becomes real, I am sure the rest of the Byway will be under threat.

Timpo.
 
Thanks for the encouragement, I'll try and make contact with Tim at LARA.
Instead they have found only documents that could suggest the route never existed, there will be docs somewhere stating different, since the Definative Maps have been created since the first sign that the vehicular route was present.
From what I could gather, the original definitive map was coloured in to show it as a 'byway' which is why it is recorded as a byway at the moment. However according to WCBC the survey notes for a connecting footpath called it a 'footpath'.

At the moment the best 'new evidence' I can find that they council don't say they have considered is the OS popular maps show it with a dashed line, the same as another part of the byway. However the maps show some footpaths with the same dashed line so it is not conclusive.

I think unless 20 years of use before its status was disputed can be shown, I don't think it can be a byway 'as of right'.
 
A couple of weeks ago I had a letter from Wrexhm Council (which I have now binned). I thought it said that the definitive map has now been changed and I assumed the whole case was now a dead duck.

:nenau

Greg
 
A couple of weeks ago I had a letter from Wrexhm Council (which I have now binned). I thought it said that the definitive map has now been changed and I assumed the whole case was now a dead duck.

:nenau

Greg

Ditto. Frightened me to death, thought it was a NIP.
Mark
 
I think unless 20 years of used before its status was disputed can be shown, I don't think it can be a byway 'as of right'.

Hey listen, I've used as much of the route as I could due to fencing obstructions in two places.

I see you are a newbie, and a search about the byway on google would of brought you to this site. I hope you have a GS and you can prove me wrong.

Your location is Wrexham, and I hope you intend to fight this closure.

Let me remind you, but Wrexham Borough County Council have approx 8 yes 8km of byway in the whole of their patch, very little compared, and they have not upheld their duty looking after it.
Instead they have wasted tax payer's money trying to hide fact and presenting the remaining flawed docs to try and railroad a TRO to all but walkers. Funny really as they had first tried the health and safety card as a reason for closure making the walker as most funerable!:rolleyes:

OK, I'm hoping your a specialist, you almost sound like, whatever side you're on.
Do whatever, you know of Tim Stevens I'm sure already......:eek

Timpo.
 
By this logic, part of the lower sections shouldn't be a BOAT as some old maps show this as a footpath.

Well, have a look at today's OS sheets on the area.
Then, take a look of a sheet prior to when Thomas Telford built the A5 trunk Road, London to Bangor/Holyhead 1812 to 1820-ish.
At the lower section of what is today known as Byway 73 is a farm called today Ddol Isaf, located on the bank of the Dee river.
The only approach to the farm is via the route Byway 73. there is no road between Fron and Llan apart from footpath postal tracks. Since the A5 was built is when the By73 became defunced as an access, and the main road used from then on.
I have spoken with old boys from Fron, they know of all the routes, and they have taken motorcycles over them during the last 60 years, and unfortunately Mr Dilwyn Jones died last year but had given me accounts of his 50 year use of By73, up the quarry and across to the Chirk/GlynC road.

T.
 
did anyone else get a letter from Wrexham council about this lane this week. its very positive considering I had lost all hope.
 


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