R1200GS - Living With a Ticking Timebomb

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Coming to the 1200 technical section over the years has not been a joyous experience. It's not the newbies asking questions that have been asked before who make it more onerous than it should be but the gang who have never owned a 1200, or had a 20 minute test ride and think themselves an expert, or who have owned one for 5 minutes and decided it wasn't for them and keep on coming back to tell us why ad nauseum. Their comments are rarely useful or constructive.

They think it is amusing to make derogatory comments about the type of people who own a 1200. The comments were barely amusing back in 2004/5 when the 1200 first appeared and time has not been kind to their unfunny ramblings.

They keep on telling us what a piece of shit the 1200 is and how the older 1150/1100's are much superior.

I have no doubt there are owners out there who have had problems with their 1200's, but the same can be said of the 1150 and 1100's too. But taking the usual suspects seriously can lead to a bit of paranoia creeping in. The section would be much better if these people were more constructive in their comments and helpful, but I shouldn't be knocking the therapeutic value it has for those with low self esteem who feel the only way they can feel better is to keep on attacking others.

So, having bought a new 1200GS in July 2005 and finally selling it in June this year, what plethora of problems have I had with the bike, especially since the warranty expired in July 2007? Have I been knocking on the door of Steptoe or Steve Grover continually to sort out the problems?

In a word, no.

Here is a list of components I have had to replace since July 2007.

Battery x 2 (June 2008 and July 2011)
Seal behind alternator belt cover (October 2012)
Fuel pump controller (November 2012)

That's it! When I sold the bike it still had the original EWS, gearbox, clutch and final drive. I suspect my experience is echoed by many who either don't belong to forums or don't feel the need to post.

It has had the usual consumables over the years but it hasn't been heavy on brake pads and tyres, with BMW OEM front brake pads having a particularly good life. When sold it had just under 41000 miles on the clock and it had been used for a variety of tasks including touring, commuting to work and being used for instructing.

I replaced it with a 2012 GSA Triple Black which I kept for just under a year and did a run down to Javea in Spain in May, and a trip to the French Alps at the end of June. I sold this in September having done 6800 miles and replaced it with a Honda Crosstourer. There was nothing wrong with the GSA, it was a fine motorcycle and only showed one problem during my time with it (right indicator would come on at will, sorted with a new switch) but it was time to try something different.

So here's to a fine and capable motorcycle................................the R1200GS and GSA!!
 
Nice one !-------------- i have a trouble free triple black GS bought new 2011 ,and have covered 7,000 miles inc spain / south France trip------------ no problems what so ever, very pleased to say the least !:beerjug:
 
So, 41,000 miles in eight years and nothing (much) broke?

Wow. That's averaging almost 100 miles a week!

:D
 
Nice one !-------------- i have a trouble free triple black GS bought new 2011 ,and have covered 7,000 miles inc spain / south France trip------------ no problems what so ever, very pleased to say the least !:beerjug:

Wow a two year old bike with 7k on it. You must have very low expectations to be 'very pleased' it hasn't broke.
 
So, 41,000 miles in eight years and nothing (much) broke?

Wow. That's averaging almost 100 miles a week!

:D

I have two bikes, so my usage is split between them both. But the prophets of doom who come to the hexhead tech section (and are now doing the same in the wasserboxer section) would have you believe that a 1200 isn't even capable of 100 miles a week without some sort of breakdown.
 
Well said. I pick up my first BMW tomorrow and it's R1200GS Adventure 90th Anniversary Edition. I can't wait! Everything is an experience :thumb
 
I have two bikes, so my usage is split between them both. But the prophets of doom who come to the hexhead tech section (and are now doing the same in the wasserboxer section) would have you believe that a 1200 isn't even capable of 100 miles a week without some sort of breakdown.

Mine is a mere stripling at 2 years and 26k miles - but has already had two new clutches, a couple of new exhaust flappy widgets, a new foglight switch, various engine sensors, throttle bodies and a few other minor bits whose details I cannot recall right now. Granted, it hasn't actually broken down (as in "stopped at the roadside, unable to proceed") but by contrast, my car is now four years old, has admittedly only done half the mileage but has required only a set of front brake discs (rusting due to standing for a few months). One of them was sold as a bargain basement commuter, the other as a premium "unstoppable" go-anywhere mile-muncher...

Not that I don't love my GSA - the mere fact that I choose it for almost all of my journeys (despite the fact that it costs about twice as much to run per mile) speaks volumes. But it really is a (relatively) fragile beast.
 
But it really is a (relatively) fragile beast.

Yours may be but most aren't. In my experience they are pretty well bomb proof if looked after and do things other bikes can only dream about.

A much better bike than an 11** and contrary to belief, just as reliable:thumb2
 
Coming to the 1200 technical section over the years has not been a joyous experience. It's not the newbies asking questions that have been asked before who make it more onerous than it should be but the gang who have never owned a 1200, or had a 20 minute test ride and think themselves an expert, or who have owned one for 5 minutes and decided it wasn't for them and keep on coming back to tell us why ad nauseum. Their comments are rarely useful or constructive.

They think it is amusing to make derogatory comments about the type of people who own a 1200. The comments were barely amusing back in 2004/5 when the 1200 first appeared and time has not been kind to their unfunny ramblings.

They keep on telling us what a piece of shit the 1200 is and how the older 1150/1100's are much superior.

I have no doubt there are owners out there who have had problems with their 1200's, but the same can be said of the 1150 and 1100's too. But taking the usual suspects seriously can lead to a bit of paranoia creeping in. The section would be much better if these people were more constructive in their comments and helpful, but I shouldn't be knocking the therapeutic value it has for those with low self esteem who feel the only way they can feel better is to keep on attacking others.

Don't worry, they've all moved on to the LC section now!:blast:D
 
My 08 GSA had a new rear shock under warranty at 27K. I recently replaced both primary coils and one O2 sensor at 43K. If I'd not faffed about, the original O2 sensor would still be in there.

Ive just fitted a new battery but the old bat was still turning it over - just that I got an Odyssey at a good price.

The FD wheel bearing has some slight lateral play but still within limits
The gearbox rattles in neutral but otherwise works fine so I'm ignoring it.

The frame and wheel paint is showing signs of weather, but I suspect the previous owner used some aggressive cleaners and it now lives outside. Compared to my Yamaha the finish is fab.

Ive done some mods but they are to suit my tastes not a reflection on the bike.

Would I buy another? Dead right I would.
TBH it would be very hard to go back to a "normal" bike.
 
Thanks for proving my point Bill. :rolleyes:

But Bob, why are you so bloody defensive about it?

I don't think I've ever said the 12 is a bad bike......and I have ridden them off road in Morocco, on road there and in Europe, so yes, I've tried them.

Your enjoyment is, from what you say, being curtailed by having a really thin skin, or just not having the social skills to deal with people taking the piss.......which of course, immediately means that some will do it more :nenau

In short, stop fucking whining, man up and move on :comfort
 
But Bob, why are you so bloody defensive about it?

I don't think I've ever said the 12 is a bad bike......and I have ridden them off road in Morocco, on road there and in Europe, so yes, I've tried them.

Your enjoyment is, from what you say, being curtailed by having a really thin skin, or just not having the social skills to deal with people taking the piss.......which of course, immediately means that some will do it more :nenau

In short, stop fucking whining, man up and move on :comfort

Didn't read it as defensive but pissed off with unhelpful twats not making any meaningful contribution.....each to their own.

Anyway, now on my third 1200 GSA (just picked up my first ever new bike) done 72k in 6 years only had the fuel strip go which was fine once replaced. Otherwise both older bikes have taken Mrs Oldnfat and I all over Europe with no problems ....none....nada....nothing. Obviously my new GSA will now explode at the first opportunity!

Great bike....love it but I do tend to look after them ACF50 etc.
 
Peeps dont post about breakdowns that dont happen do they ? I would imagine the 1200 is no better or worse than any other bike when it comes too breakdowns. Shit happens...................deal with it. :D
 
It's not a BMW thing.

When I had my Honda VFR800 VTEC and frequented the VFR forum The owners of the pre VTECs always slated the VTECs because, in their opinion, the VTEC was not as good as their chain driven cam jobbies. However they were not quite as aggressive and could hold a heated debate without getting personal (something that does seem to happen quite often on this forum...... I know, If I don't like it fu*k off!).

The fact is we are all experts who made right choice when spending our hard earned (or handed out) cash.

If we all rode the same make and model it would be boring.

And finally before I climb down from dobbin. BMW GS1200 were never billed as indestructible tanks (although I'm sure they break down too). All makes and models have faults. The day they build the perfect maintenance free bike will be the day the industry goes broke.

Just my tuppence worth. I'm bracing myself...........................................

Neil
 
I'm on to my third GSA since 2009, done coming up to 100k between the three of them.

1st one - 40k
Front shock (after 200 miles :D )
Fuel gauge x 3
Heated grips

2nd one - 40k
Final drive - big style at 17k
Exhaust flappy thing x 2
Ignition barrel

3rd one - 9k so far
Very Occasional starting issue

Love the bikes and would happily get another one but not sure I would want one out of warranty....
 


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