Think you're getting too hung up on this "does it kick down two gears" bit.
You don't want it to kick down two gears under most circumstances anyway.
It will kick down two gears sometimes, I've had it happen, that's on my 1300gs.
R1300 ASA in auto mode, drops down 2 gears on acceleration ?
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You don't want it to kick down two gears under most circumstances anyway.
It will kick down two gears sometimes, I've had it happen, that's on my 1300gs.
...cars first went auto as we know it more than 65 years ago with a slush box running a torque converter - the drive on these is 100% by the trans fluid sloshing around - thus when stationary we get no drive as the fluid isn't moving fast enough to create any drive, more revs more fluid sloshing around and we get slight movement... it was incredibly inefficient and gutless with 0% drive at tick over (or a smidge to aid low speed maneuverability) on ave around 80% engine power got to the road and a best of 98% on a steady cruise - hence only fitted on large engine sedate luxo barges -
in fact the first ones had a fluid flywheel and were even worse - a torque converter using weird beard magic, invents torque through the way it throws the fluid about inside itself and partly explains why they had so few gears... this design of box does have incredible smoothness because there was NEVER ANY direct connection between the engine and the wheels - just trans fluid slopping about - later towards the end of the 1980's they put a mechanical clutch to lock up drive to 100% under certain conditions, but in traffic its still 0% efficient - with all the power making heat and wear we don't actually want
if you remember top gear circa 1996 and Jeremy hating flapppy paddle BMW SMG gearboxes dues to their abrupt and recalcitrant changes https://gearshifters.org/bmw/what-is-a-bmw-smg-transmission/ - that is more or less what ASA is - Later computers and servo actuators make a better fist of it - but its the same technology - its a 100% normal manual gearbox and conventional bike wet plate clutch - the only automation is in the actuation of the bits you do on a normal bike - and because humans can see and interpret whats going on in the big bad world more easily than an ant brain 2 pence computer - we can work around whats required and bring a smoothness more akin to a slush box
DTC is far later tech - it is effectively two separate gearboxes and two clutches - its heavier and far more expensive, and getting both small delicate clutches to survive is difficult - this type of box can bring a smoothness more akin to a slush box because they run two gears at a time (with your safely and the gearboxes survival) relying exclusively on both clutches behaving impeccably - it then uses throttle application and ant brain logic to pre decide which gear to pre select in the second gearbox thats' not currently driving the rear wheel...
So if pulling away the bike has both 1st gear on one gearbox and on its second gearbox 2nd engaged as well. Meaning the "change" 1 to 2 feels seamless - as its just perfectly swapping the clutches in and out - then so long as you are still applying throttle and not braking it secretly takes the first 1, 3, 5 gear gearbox and puts it in 3rd as you ride through 2nd gear on the 2, 4, 6 box, and we get more seamless changes... the only bit that feels unlike a slushbox is if you are accelerating through 2nd and slow down catching the bike out - as it had pre selected 3rd but now its more likley you want 1st and we get a rough perceptible change - its also easier to get park as the bike is always in two gears - so at engine off and nothing actuating a clutch - the bike can't move - but to stop the trans slop letting the bike wobble, it does get a manually applied park brake too
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Exactly that.
It’s ONLY the dropping down issue that interests me 
are you sure the video evidence of a double shift is not rider instigated changes via the gear lever...
you can play shifting gears in auto whenever you want
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I do not believe that this happens on the ‘older’ GS/GSA ASA
Further to my comments at post number 18 above, this review seems to answer all of my concerns. The reviewer praises the ‘buttery smoothness’ and ‘seemlessness’ of the gear shifting
I can’t wait to have a test and I’m saving my pennies
I can’t wait to have a test and I’m saving my pennies
As the ASA is a newly implemented technology it's perfectly normal to see upgrades to the software (and sometimes hardware). The RT is 100 lbs heaver and likely needs the extra gear drop-down to reach performance objectives. Are they going to do this for the GS, probably not
I see no evidence it goes down two and listening around 7 mins where he claims he's in 6th, it bogs down and struggles to rev out
then the fool claims it drops from 5th to 3rd - here check the revs (7mins 21 seconds) its at 2000 rpm, he rips the throttle and it ends up accelerating slowly from 2800rpm I doubt that's two down changes - again the bike clearly struggles to rev out - and as I said in my first post, if you want to rip it get the revs to 6000
if the gear indicator was visible it would help it doesn't seem to be two gears - either way its easy for someone to check now - is the gap from 3rd to 5th only 800rpm ?
Botus , you’re clearly in denial and calling the reviewer a “fool”
I fail to see the reasons why you’re denying what the “fool” states.
I fail to see the reasons why you’re denying what the “fool” states.
he's a total moron and I'd say plain lying - there is no way its dropping two gears
its only just dropping down a single gear and even then only just getting the revs to an area where opening the throttle gently is going to get any form of response (otherwise we'd be introducing damaging engine knock if it hadn't done anything)
its not in any way or form bringing a lively response - which makes me doubt he's even in a dynamic riding mode
its only just dropping down a single gear and even then only just getting the revs to an area where opening the throttle gently is going to get any form of response (otherwise we'd be introducing damaging engine knock if it hadn't done anything)
its not in any way or form bringing a lively response - which makes me doubt he's even in a dynamic riding mode
Ok “total moron , plain lying “
Must be not true then
Must be not true then
Lol, botus says that about everyone and everything.
I wonder if the extra kilos on an RT cause the 2 gear downshift? Compared with the anorexic GS.
The first guy is a total nob.
Chris is a legend but let's face it, you don't want ASA for off-road duty in the first place.
