Race between an LC & a DOHC GSA

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both knees down on either side

hehe yeah probably

There is a lot to be said about who is riding the bike and not `what` bike... A good few years ago when I had a Thundercat YZF600 (my first big bike actually) I was out with a few lads and one was on a Goldwing and I tell you he could throw that thing about!

It was on that ride that I realised I wasn't as fast as I though I was if he could do that on a Goldwing.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Lesson - it's never the bike and it's always the rider

Remember that and all the bhp bollox, is worth nothing

 

[Mark Hooton]

Lesson - it's never the bike and it's always the rider

Remember that and all the bhp bollox, is worth nothing

There`s a lot of wise words there however the extra BHP can help both good rider and bad.

 

[duckspeed]

Jeez - thats well funny and I suspect with both knees down on either side

`Ole Sheeny has certainly piled on the pounds since leaving the track, eh?

Those braces deserve a medal ...............

 

[Engineer]

Lesson - it's never the bike and it's always the rider

Remember that and all the bhp bollox, is worth nothing

Tell that to Cal Crutchlow

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

There`s a lot of wise words there however the extra BHP can help both good rider and bad.

BUT......... a bad rider, can have too much BHP at his fingertips and this turns him into a liability to himself and other road users

Seen many,many riders 'overbiked' over the years - fine on a motorway or big A road, but take them to anything smaller and twisty and they tie themselves in knots

 

[Mark Hooton]

BUT......... a bad rider, can have too much BHP at his fingertips and this turns him into a liability to himself and other road users

Seen many,many riders 'overbiked' over the years - fine on a motorway or big A road, but take them to anything smaller and twisty and they tie themselves in knots

Yep, I agree and with a small sense of humility I`ve done it too - overcooked it in a bend and though `wohoooooooo`

And hoped nobody was watching..........

 

[enabb]

Yep, I agree I`ve done it too - overcooked it in a bend and though `wohoooooooo`

And hoped nobody was watching..........

Me thinks anybody that hasn't is full of shite........

 

[Ogmios]

been there / dung that

Me thinks anybody that hasn't is full of shite........

Yes.
Statistically
90% have fecked up and
the other 10% are liars.

 

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Me thinks anybody that hasn't is full of shite........

Never...

Honestly...

Ok, once.. maybe twice...

 

[Mark Hooton]

Mebbe sharing the fright might help.........

Kinda waaaaay off topic but I've found that I overcook it, especially on right handers, I get far tooooo close to the centre line sometimes even crossing it.

Riders far more skilled then me including several police traffic friends have always taught me to keep well over to the left (makes sense) to achieve correct road position in approach, apex and exit but if I`m going too fast I simply can`t keep to the left so that's what happens to me.

I `manage` it by:

1. Feathering my rear brake to drop off some speed prior to the apex, that helps.
2. Change my pants - this helps too
3. Next time go into the bend slower and I manage to keep the correct line!

 

[rodders]

Kinda waaaaay off topic but I've found that I overcook it, especially on right handers, I get far tooooo close to the centre line sometimes even crossing it.

Riders far more skilled then me including several police traffic friends have always taught me to keep well over to the left (makes sense) to achieve correct road position in approach, apex and exit but if I`m going too fast I simply can`t keep to the left so that's what happens to me.

I `manage` it by:

1. Feathering my rear brake to drop off some speed prior to the apex, that helps.
2. Change my pants - this helps too
3. Next time go into the bend slower and I manage to keep the correct line!

4. hope someone isn't near the white line coming in the opposite direction and you find your head and body are no longer connected.

 

[ianboydsnr]

Kinda waaaaay off topic but I've found that I overcook it, especially on right handers, I get far tooooo close to the centre line sometimes even crossing it.

Riders far more skilled then me including several police traffic friends have always taught me to keep well over to the left (makes sense) to achieve correct road position in approach, apex and exit but if I`m going too fast I simply can`t keep to the left so that's what happens to me.

I `manage` it by:

1. Feathering my rear brake to drop off some speed prior to the apex, that helps.
2. Change my pants - this helps too
3. Next time go into the bend slower and I manage to keep the correct line!

I don't like putting the brakes on into a bend, but of course have to sometimes, especially if following someone who rolls off the throttle mid bend , I find changing my pants far to difficult to achieve whilst mid bend for that to be an option, best I find is to go into the bend slower, then power out, getting the braking done before the bend, gives me enough time to concentrate on the line, I am no racer though

 

[DrAlf]

Kinda waaaaay off topic but I've found that I overcook it, especially on right handers, I get far tooooo close to the centre line sometimes even crossing it.

That doesn't make any sense at all - if you're too close to the centre line on a right hander you've actually 'undercooked' it. Apply more speed - that should sort it

 

[Bendy toy]

The GS with it's (almost) zero dive front end allows a lot more braking into a bend than a "normal" bike. Im not saying make a habit of it because I imagine grip drops suddenly on/over the limit.

But you can scrub off a lot of speed with the fronts and still keep shiny side up. Ive been got caught out a couple of times because the bike is so ** stable. It corners so well I have not realised just how fast I'm going. Lesser bikes would have been bobbing all over the place at considerably lower speeds.

But the bend radius/lean angle is the same either way so go in too hot and there's now no room to counter steer it down a bit more. Going slower is the faster way around.

 

[Mark Hooton]

4. hope someone isn't near the white line coming in the opposite direction and you find your head and body are no longer connected.

Oh yeah, too many times I`ve got too close..........

 

[Mark Hooton]

That doesn't make any sense at all - if you're too close to the centre line on a right hander you've actually 'undercooked' it. Apply more speed - that should sort it

Yep I can see the sense in that - when I say `overcooked` I mean `really screwed it up`!

Thanks for advice

 

[rodders]

Oh yeah, too many times I`ve got too close..........

Mark,
Please consider going slower so you can use a better line in the bend, with practice you will get back to speed and will be able to see through the bend better.
Don't want to see another RIP thread.
1, correct line makes the bend less severe(wider arc)
2, better view through the bend so more time to react
3, more distance from opposing traffic

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

A really good way shown to me of riding more smoothly/increasing observation/planning skills and especially judging corner speed was to pick a bit of twisty road you know well and ride it with no brakes (obviously use your common sense re other traffic and what's appropriate) and gradually build up speed until you're going almost as quick as if you were using your brakes.

Doing that should really drive home the 'slow in', 'fast out' approach to taking bends.

Andres

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Me thinks anybody that hasn't is full of shite........

I have, just last week.............bend on/approaching a stone bridge and I was distracted

Came in too hot..................so hard on front brake and the rear end lifted off the floor and just managed to lean her round further, with counter steer to squeeze past the stonework

All on a lethargic, untrendy non ABS 1150GSA

She's ace at stoppies