Reassurance needed following a scare

[RedRick Esq.]

I blame the DSA
My son has just passed his test and is starting out and his level of understanding as to what a car will or won't do is terrifying
I am having to teach him what i consider to be fundamentals like road position and when to turn in and when to apply the throttle and in what gear
He is learning quickly though thank goodness.

The other problem is the black box for insurance
He can't go out and do handbrake turns and do nuts in car parks like what i did so he can't feel what the car will do

Shame

 

[Schtum]

I blame the DSA
My son has just passed his test and is starting out and his level of understanding as to what a car will or won't do is terrifying
I am having to teach him what i consider to be fundamentals like road position and when to turn in and when to apply the throttle and in what gear
He is learning quickly though thank goodness.

The other problem is the black box for insurance
He can't go out and do handbrake turns and do nuts in car parks like what i did so he can't feel what the car will do

Shame

On the other hand, you can do too good a job.... My son's been driving for 17 years this year and riding for about 10. He's probably quicker than me in a car, definitely in a kart and can bugger off into the distance on a goat track on his GS.

 

[Timolgra]

I blame the DSA
My son has just passed his test and is starting out and his level of understanding as to what a car will or won't do is terrifying
I am having to teach him what i consider to be fundamentals like road position and when to turn in and when to apply the throttle and in what gear
He is learning quickly though thank goodness.

Well I can understand why people may say that although much depends on the rider, many are either slow learners or simply turn up for for their lessons without giving any further thought to what they're trying to achieve since for many, just like car drivers, they just want to get that pass.

Had two students with clean Mod 2 passes today, both were good and their final days training did transform them toward a thinking, flowing rider.
That's obviously not always the case and despite always being advised by both instructor and examiner to consider further training, few do and that's hardly the fault of the DSA.

 

[RedRick Esq.]

Well I can understand why people may say that although much depends on the rider, many are either slow learners or simply turn up for for their lessons without giving any further thought to what they're trying to achieve since for many, just like car drivers, they just want to get that pass.

Had two students with clean Mod 2 passes today, both were good and their final days training did transform them toward a thinking, flowing rider.
That's obviously not always the case and despite always being advised by both instructor and examiner to consider further training, few do and that's hardly the fault of the DSA.

Cars not bikes in this case and a good instructor that will focus not just on the technicalities of a test You can take that as praise if you like
If i had my way all the reverse into a parking bay shit would be binned in favour of higher speed car control on a track and a skid pan they can learn how to park at leisure as that bit isn't dangerous. I strongly believe that to know a cars limits you have to get there in the first place and the road is not the place to do that for the first time and certainly not when it is unexpected and you have no real idea what to do.

 

[Timolgra]

Cars not bikes in this case and a good instructor that will focus not just on the technicalities of a test You can take that as praise if you like
If i had my way all the reverse into a parking bay shit would be binned in favour of higher speed car control on a track and a skid pan they can learn how to park at leisure as that bit isn't dangerous. I strongly believe that to know a cars limits you have to get there in the first place and the road is not the place to do that for the first time and certainly not when it is unexpected and you have no real idea what to do.

Well I don't know about, you but I learnt to walk before taking up Irish dancing

 

[RedRick Esq.]

Well I don't know about, you but I learnt to walk before taking up Irish dancing

Giles said you were quite good at it but you know the point i am trying to make which i suppose the test is needed but experience and practice is essential.

 

[PhaedrusMC]

No it won't. It will only be causal when it's a primary cause in some kind of incident. You can only stretch your level of ability by continually pushing the envelope.

There's far too many slow people on the bloody roads and it's getting worse. The arts of riding a bike and driving a car have been dumbed down so much that there are quite literally millions of vehicle operators who wouldn't know what to do if their vehicles accidentally "skidded", let alone have the ability to induce a controlled slide, tighten their line with a bit of left foot braking or similarly on a bike, tighten the line in a corner with a bit of judicious rear brake. Far too many people who are petrified of overtaking and sit in crocodiles of cars pottering along at 45 mph.

The world's a better place in the sweet spot that starts at 60 mph on a twisty, bumpy goat track and reaches to c. 130 mph on a flowing A road.

I'm always baffled when I see bikes sitting in line in a queue of car traffic... Isn't that missing one of the points of riding a bike?

Would it be fair to say that OP or anyone else coming to grips with a scare or bad news would be in a similar mind-space as a born-again?

Time spent riding at a comfortable level, perhaps time with an instructor or observer - those must surely be effective tools for any "recovery" or return to confidence?

One thing that might be said for the average biker - he's probably more likely to attend further training after passing his test than a car driver?

 

[Timolgra]

Giles said you were quite good at it but you know the point i am trying to make which i suppose the test is needed but experience and practice is essential.

Absolutely, now we could discuss a mandatory 2nd, more 'advanced' test after say 2 or 3 years

 

[GS-Jonesy]

No it won't. It will only be causal when it's a primary cause in some kind of incident. You can only stretch your level of ability by continually pushing the envelope.

There's far too many slow people on the bloody roads and it's getting worse. The arts of riding a bike and driving a car have been dumbed down so much that there are quite literally millions of vehicle operators who wouldn't know what to do if their vehicles accidentally "skidded", let alone have the ability to induce a controlled slide, tighten their line with a bit of left foot braking or similarly on a bike, tighten the line in a corner with a bit of judicious rear brake. Far too many people who are petrified of overtaking and sit in crocodiles of cars pottering along at 45 mph.

The world's a better place in the sweet spot that starts at 60 mph on a twisty, bumpy goat track and reaches to c. 130 mph on a flowing A road.

Spoken (typed) like a true tit.

Firstly - I very, very much doubt you have the ability to ride or drive as you claim. How can I make that claim. Because if you did we would likely be watching you on the TV rather than laughing at you from behind a keyboard. Also, all of the truly talented riders that I know never feel the need to be boastful...in fact that goes for all of the talented people I know, regardless of the discipline.

Secondly - If you TRY to ride or drive as you claim on public roads it is just a matter of time before you end up in the clink...or worse. If you insist on being such a plumb please don't put innocent road users at risk. It might be me, my 3 yr old boy and my pregnant wife at the front of that crocodile of cars doing 45mph. We'd quiet like to not have our day/lives ruined by some dick who thinks hes quick

 

[Schtum]

Spoken (typed) like a true tit.

Firstly - I very, very much doubt you have the ability to ride or drive as you claim. How can I make that claim. Because if you did we would likely be watching you on the TV rather than laughing at you from behind a keyboard. Also, all of the truly talented riders that I know never feel the need to be boastful...in fact that goes for all of the talented people I know, regardless of the discipline.

Secondly - If you TRY to ride or drive as you claim on public roads it is just a matter of time before you end up in the clink...or worse. If you insist on being such a plumb please don't put innocent road users at risk. It might be me, my 3 yr old boy and my pregnant wife at the front of that crocodile of cars doing 45mph. We'd quiet like to not have our day/lives ruined by some dick who thinks hes quick

Don't be silly.....

 

[GS-Jonesy]

Don't be silly.....

You're right...what was I thinking??? Of course you can do all that stuff you riding God


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[Schtum]

You're right...what was I thinking??? Of course you can do all that stuff you riding God


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The lesson is not to judge the abilities of others by using your own limitations as the measure.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Watching Traffic Cops on BBC 3 last night was sobering enough

 

[GS-Jonesy]

The lesson is not to judge the abilities of others by using your own limitations as the measure.

Do you know what. You're right. I do not know you from Adam, and as unlikely as I believe it to be it is possible that you are capable of riding and driving as you claim. I guess I was reacting emotionally to the sheer idiocy of someone who would think it is OK to do so on public highways. IMHO it is people that choose to act like this that unfairly tag all motorcyclists as selfish and aggressive road users.

Do me the courtesy of offering a lesson or two for you?

Being able to ride that quickly on public roads is not the sign of an able or proficient road rider. There are many, many skills that rank way above ability to ride at those kinds of speeds. There was a very interesting post on here recently about making progress. Ultimate speed made very little difference to progress made.

Boastfulness is not a nice quality and doesn't make people think more of you or your riding ability. I have never met Giles of this parish, again wouldn't know him from Adam, but I have seen many people post about his skill as road rider. Many stating he is one of the very best they have ever seen. I've never heard him boast about his skill, and I would suggest that he fact that he doesn't is one of the reasons why he is so good. For this reason I respect him as a rider. I for one will be looking to spend time in the company of people like Giles with a view to improving my ability as a rider, in the hope that I don't end up like, or cause somebody else to end up like the poor colleague of the OP.

Apologies for my part in it if anybody feels this thread was hijacked. It wasn't my intention.

OP - my opinion would be stick with it and learn as much as you can to keep you safe.

 

[delamitri]

Do you know what. You're right. I do not know you from Adam, and as unlikely as I believe it to be it is possible that you are capable of riding and driving as you claim. I guess I was reacting emotionally to the sheer idiocy of someone who would think it is OK to do so on public highways. IMHO it is people that choose to act like this that unfairly tag all motorcyclists as selfish and aggressive road users.

Do me the courtesy of offering a lesson or two for you?

Being able to ride that quickly on public roads is not the sign of an able or proficient road rider. There are many, many skills that rank way above ability to ride at those kinds of speeds. There was a very interesting post on here recently about making progress. Ultimate speed made very little difference to progress made.

Boastfulness is not a nice quality and doesn't make people think more of you or your riding ability. I have never met Giles of this parish, again wouldn't know him from Adam, but I have seen many people post about his skill as road rider. Many stating he is one of the very best they have ever seen. I've never heard him boast about his skill, and I would suggest that he fact that he doesn't is one of the reasons why he is so good. For this reason I respect him as a rider. I for one will be looking to spend time in the company of people like Giles with a view to improving my ability as a rider, in the hope that I don't end up like, or cause somebody else to end up like the poor colleague of the OP.

Apologies for my part in it if anybody feels this thread was hijacked. It wasn't my intention.

OP - my opinion would be stick with it and learn as much as you can to keep you safe.

It,s all gone quiet over there, that seemed to do the trick!!! well done that man!!!

 

[Transglobalundies]

I lost a good mate a couple of years back. He went out for a blast on the bike with no idea of his fate. Whilst I'm sad for his loss its only made me want to ride more and have the fun of the ride. Just in case one day my fate comes to meet me.

Shawshank redemption: "Get busy livin' or get busy dyin"

I did a Bikesafe course many years ago - very useful. But, as previous post, only you can decide

 

[Transglobalundies]

I lost a good mate a couple of years back. He went out for a blast on the bike with no idea of his fate. Whilst I'm sad for his loss its only made me want to ride more and have the fun of the ride. Just in case one day my fate comes to meet me.

Shawshank redemption: "Get busy livin' or get busy dyin"

I did a Bikesafe course many years ago - very useful. But, as previous post, only you can decide