recall of handguards threads merged

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nemezis said:
BS! This report is from last week from the German autorieties! This is brand new information and a warning for all EU-members for unsafe products. If you don't care for unsafe products, it's your fault.
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This should have been added to your previous thread. Instead you seem to be intent on spamminng the forum with your never ending crusade!

And these two quotes

nemezis said:
If you don't care for unsafe products, it's your fault.
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nemezis said:
It's crap and anybody buying any bike with this flawed brakes deserves to die
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are not the comments of someone i'd consider to have everyones interests at heart. Do yourself and everyone else a favour and find some other interest in your life. Because trying to make a multinational company bend to your will is just going to tip you over the edge, if you haven't gone over already.
 
RAPEX is the EU rapid alert system for all dangerous consumer products, with the exception of food, pharmaceutical and medical devices. It allows for the rapid exchange of information between Member States and the Commission of measures taken to prevent or restrict the marketing or use of products posing a serious risk to the health and safety of consumers.

Germany reported the information I provided here for your safety! If you don't care and if you don't care about the heavily injured riders it's all up to you morons!
 
nemezis said:
RAPEX is the EU rapid alert system for all dangerous consumer products, with the exception of food, pharmaceutical and medical devices. It allows for the rapid exchange of information between Member States and the Commission of measures taken to prevent or restrict the marketing or use of products posing a serious risk to the health and safety of consumers.

Germany reported the information I provided here for your safety! If you don't care and if you don't care about the heavily injured riders it's all up to you morons!
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May I introduce you to BOLUX?

BOLUX is Wapping's: Bugger Off Loony Utterly eXtreme....


If you don't care and if you don't care about the heavily injured riders it's all up to you morons

At last, you are slowly getting it. WE DON'T CARE (or not in the sense that you mean care) .....SO DON'T BOTHER TO POST ANY MORE. We morons do not want it.

Germany reported the information I provided here for your safety!

"Germany calling....Germany calling" Wasn't that how Lord Haw-Haw started his announcements?

Ye Gods. Praise the Lord that people like you did not triumph 60 or 70 years ago or we would have listen to shit like yours everyday...



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BUT WE HAD ITMA, "This is Phumph speaking...." The Krauts never stood a chance:

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nemezis said:
Germany reported the information I provided here for your safety! If you don't care and if you don't care about the heavily injured riders it's all up to you morons!
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This is Germany calling.............:jibber
 
Nemeziz.


My : "yawn" comment was to your continual posting of "what is wrong with BMW motorbikes"......

I am an ADULT, and have been riding bikes for over 20 years. Therefore I do not need educating about trivial matters like "the handguards can rotate".

FFS: I know they can, I have had it happen when I dropped the bike. I am adult enough, and mechanically adept enough to fix this myself without resorting to calling BMW assist...

I know that German TuV regs are stringent, but this takes "nanny state" to the n th degree. I recon they should just print (in approx 20 languages)
"Motorcycles are DANGEROUS, they need a sensible rider, and require rider imput to be made to work. Take responsibility for yourself, and stop looking for someone to sue if you are an idot"... or something on similar lines.


....and breathe....

Rant over, sorry all.
 
Bub said:
Nemeziz.


My : "yawn" comment was to your continual posting of "what is wrong with BMW motorbikes"......

I am an ADULT, and have been riding bikes for over 20 years. Therefore I do not need educating about trivial matters like "the handguards can rotate".

FFS: I know they can, I have had it happen when I dropped the bike. I am adult enough, and mechanically adept enough to fix this myself without resorting to calling BMW assist...

I know that German TuV regs are stringent, but this takes "nanny state" to the n th degree. I recon they should just print (in approx 20 languages)
"Motorcycles are DANGEROUS, they need a sensible rider, and require rider imput to be made to work. Take responsibility for yourself, and stop looking for someone to sue if you are an idot"... or something on similar lines.


....and breathe....

Rant over, sorry all.
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Agree:thumb2
 
It's not a German thing. :ronno

It's a matter of the General Product Safety Directive (GPSD), the RAPEX system and the safety of products in Europe. If you like to bash anybody you might contact the EUROPEAN COMMISSION. :thumb
 
I love this site! There is a weird mix of "BMWs are shite, I'll never buy one again, how dare they force me to part with my money and buy another one of their shite machines?", and "I love my BMW, a bomb hit it the other day, and it still rides well, though it does leak a bit from the hole the bomb left".

I'd like to think I'm somewhere in between. I like the bike, and deliberately bought it because it was quirky and had "character".
Now I like to think of "character" as including everything from strange gear boxes, to a propensity to try and kill you when you're not looking (When younger I always wanted a VW Beetle, which was famous for being a car that was easy to work on, but also had a propensity to rust and try and gas the occupant due to a strange heat exchanger on the exhaust. Now thats what I call character!").

Anyhow I thought that I'd add, that i'd quite like little target stickers on my handguards, as I did have to have them tightened once. It didn't kill me (hence I'm typing from work, not the grave), but it did drag the brakes a lot. I had heard it on occasions when pulling up to the lights, the servo would whine, but being new to servos in general, I assumed it was just building up some reserve. It was only when I went out for a ride with another guy following, when he asked why my brake light never went out (except over bumps), that i realised there was a problem.

Thing is I'd checked the lever when the servos were running (by pushing it forward), and it went forward fine, so I obviously wasn't checking properly (or for the conspiricy theorists, it was a seperate fault, and they told me it was the handguards so that I wouldn't blab that part X was about to go?)


Anyhow keep up the bickering, its nice to hear about the faults, and also comforting to have a barage of people exclaiming that "its not happened to me".

TobyS
 
He's right you know:

Damit der Fahrer zukünftig auf den korrekten Sitz der Handprotektoren achtet,

Loosely translates as:

Damn it, I have bent my handguard. I am a numpty.


What a ridiculous language.....

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While we are at it, might you like to comment on the EU's / RAPEX's satisfaction with ' Voluntary corrective action taken by the manufacturer' to the three cases reported?

The EU seems happy....why aren't you?
 
Wapping said:
The EU seems happy....why aren't you?
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in october 2007 they modified the handguards with the introduction of the r1200gs my 2008. my guess is, that they have heard about the flawed handguards (and you can read about that fact here and elsewere).

but the warning came after (!) the german safety authorities dropped in and after a serious wounded rider pulled the trigger and now we have the warning.

well, didn't we know about the flaws since, ehm -

which clearly states that rapex is bullshit.
 
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The mess is in the German news everywhere. Radio, Newspaper and Online-Media. AFAIK this is going TV because of preliminary investigation is started by the German Federal Prosecutor (recall brakes // pipes). In addition they changed the handguards in October 2007 on 08-models(which indicates that they did know exactly about the danger) , but didn't warn the owners of the old bikes. Keep you informed. :rob
 
nemezis said:
which clearly states that rapex is bullshit.
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But you asked us to look at the RAPEX report did you not? Citing it as EU sanctioned and inspired evidence to support your tales of imminent carnage on the roads?

Are you now asking that we ignore the RAPEX report? If so, I think many of us morons are well ahead of you and your mindless utterances.
 
Anyone from Germany who can confirm this?

Sorry Nemezis, I realise that you have our safety in mind, but you keep linking to articles in German from sites we've never heard of.

Your latest link is to an article on
de.indymedia.org
If you look on the start page (using babel fish to translate (sorry my German is poor)). It says
"Mitmachen

Um deinen Beitrag bei de.indymedia.org zu veröffentlichen, benutze das Publizieren Formular. Um dich an den Diskussionen rund um indymedia zu beteiligen, kannst du dich hier in die Mailinglisten eintragen.
Kontakt-Mailingliste: imc-germany-kontakt
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lists.indymedia.org"


Which translates as:


"Go through

In order to publish your article with de.indymedia.org, use that Publish form. In order to take part you in the discussions approximately over indymedia, you can register yourself here into the mailing lists.
Contact mailing list: imc Germany contact
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lists.indymedia.org"


Now I don't know enough about this site to confirm either way, but it seems totally possible that you could have written the article yourself.



So this email is to ask are there any other members from Germany who can confirm that this is indeed "in the German news everywhere"?
I realise that we'll get a few "I'm from Germany and I've not seen anything" from people who live in UK, but if someone could link to a well known German paper/news site that would help.



Oh and Dahoum, the comma and fullstop are used the opposite way around for numbers on the continent. I was a lab partner with a Swede during my degree and it took me ages to work out why his results were out by several factors of 10. Though perhaps you knew that and I've spoilt the joke.... Doh.


TobyS
 
Wapping said:
Are you now asking that we ignore the RAPEX report?
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No. The German authorities warned the EU too late. It's clearly their fault!



## press releases ##

1. Indymedia

a. "Gefahr durch Handprotektoren BMW Motorräder?" (Indymedia, 25.02.2008)
http://de.indymedia.org/2008/02/208881.shtml
b. "Skandalöse Rückrufpraxis bei BMW Motorrad" (Indymedia, 07.07.2008)
http://de.indymedia.org/2008/07/221569.shtml
c. "Drei Verletzte? EU warnt vor BMW Motorrädern!" (Indymedia, 12.07.2008)
http://de.indymedia.org/2008/07/221937.shtml
d. "BMW ruiniert Wiederverkauf R1200GS Motorrad !" (Indymedia, 16.07.2008)
http://de.indymedia.org/2008/07/222421.shtml

2. Motor-Kritik

a. "BMW und seine 'TA's'" (Motor-Kritik, 13.04.2008)
http://www.motor-kritik.de/common/08041309.HTM
b. "BMW ein 'Papiertiger'?" (Motor-Kritik, 28.06.2008)
http://www.motor-kritik.de/common/08062801.HTM
c. "Traurig machende Zugabe" (Motor-Kritik, 28.06.2008)
http://www.motor-kritik.de/common/08062808.HTM

3. Autogazette (Netzeitung)

"Rapex warnt vor BMW-Motorrädern: Probleme durch Handprotektoren" (Autogazette, 14.07.2008)
http://www.autogazette.de/Probleme-durch-Handprotektoren/artikel_1087557_9.htm

4. Biker Journal

"BMW-Bremse: Und wieder grüßt das Murmeltier" (Biker Journal, 14.07.2008)
http://www.bikersjournal.de/news/he...bremse-und-wieder-gruesst-das-murmeltier.html

5. dpa-AFX

"KORREKTUR: BMW warnt Motorrad-Kunden vor Gefahr durch verdrehten Handschutz" (15.07.2008, dpa-AFX)
http://www.finanzen.net/nachricht/K...vor_Gefahr_durch_verdrehten_Handschutz_753815
http://de.biz.yahoo.com/15072008/36/korrektur-bmw-warnt-motorrad-kunden-gefahr.html
http://www.wallstreet-online.de/nachrichten/nachricht/2461625.html

6. Motorrad

"Warnhinweis zur BMW R 1200 GS. Probleme mit Handprotektor" (Motorrad, 15.07.2008)
http://www.motorradonline.de/news/w...00-gs---probleme-mit-handprotektor.301827.htm

7. Tourenfahrer

"Probleme mit Handprotektoren bei BMW R 1200 GS" (Tourenfahrer, 15.07.2008)
http://www.tourenfahrer.de/index.php?id=27&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=96&tx_ttnews[backPid]=2&cHash=b011bc1780

8. Global Press

"Handprotektoren bei BMW R 1200 GS können verrutschen" (Global Press, 16.07.2008)
http://www.monstersandcritics.de/ar...tektoren-bei-BMW-R-1200-GS-können-verrutschen
http://de.cars.yahoo.com/16072008/292/handprotektoren-bmw-r-1200-gs-verrutschen.html
http://auto-presse.de/news-auto.php?action=view&newsid=28597
http://auto.abacho.de/news/?ab_news_id=16565


9. Auto Reporter

"Protektoren an der BMW R 1200 GS können sich verdrehen" (Auto Reporter, 16.07.2008)
http://www.die-topnews.de/protektoren-an-der-bmw-r-1200-gs-koennen-sich-verdrehen-312590
 
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