Recommend me a Super Moto

[squid]

I'm thinking top components, carbs (for simplicity) big enough for a fun road trip but a single with reasonable service intervals.

I had an MZ 660 Mastiff which was great but something newer and tricker would be ideal.

The option of off road wheels an added bonus although I accept to be reasonable on the road such a bike is going to be on the heavy side.

I know little about Husabergs. What are the 650 SM's like? are they their own engines?

 

[cherokee]

CCM

I had a dualsport with the 640 suzuki engine,it had the 710 conversion was quick and pretty.steer clear of the Rotax engined ones............

 

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I've had a few over the years and currently run a Husky 610 (the newer sort) which is now running 17" wheels which I had made for it.

It's used for Hill Climbing as well as trail riding with the original dirt wheels. I've also riden it on some fairly long (UK only) trips so it's suitability as a road bike is only limited by how long you can stand sitting on a 'plank'!

I also ran a ROTAX engined CCM which was over bored and very highly tuned as my (Supermoto) race bike and every day (only) transport - even rode to the Pyrenees and back on it so no worries on reliability of the Rotax lump although I suspect they are getting a bit long in the tooth by now so more an 'enthusiasts' bike these days.

Given the above I'm not sure what you mean by having to be heavy to be suitable for the road

Is the bike to be used a lot or as a Sunday 'play thing' ?

I've also just bought a Berg (all be it currently only on off road wheels) - they make fantastic SM's (my mate I Hill Climb with runs a 450 which p1sses all over my Husky) but would, I suggest, be a bit too focused as an every day bike......but race or sunny Sunday bike it wouldn't get much better

Rambling a bit, I know, but I reckon as a everyday bike I'd be looking at something like an LC4 engined KTM or pos. the Suzi engined CCM.

For a more full on experiance go for a Berg, the latest KTM (60bhp) or, what I'd LOVE to have, one of the 450/550 v-twin 'Prillas

Then again, ANY dirt bike can be SM'd, dead easy to do. So, why not pick a dirt bike you'd like for green laning and then sort some wheels?

Andres

PS The MZ's aren't actually bad SM's, just a bit heavy
PPS Yes, Bergs all use their own engines - reasonably frequent oil changes; my 450 every 10 hours

 

[cherokee]

I've had a few over the years and currently run a Husky 610 (the newer sort) which is now running 17" wheels which I had made for it.

It's used for Hill Climbing as well as trail riding with the original dirt wheels.

I also ran a ROTAX engined CCM which was over bored and very highly tuned as my (Supermoto) race bike and every day (only) transport - even rode to the Pyrenees and back on it so no worries on reliability of the Rotax lump although I suspect they are getting a bit long in the tooth by now so more an 'enthusiasts' bike these days.

Given the above I'm not sure what you mean by having to be heavy to be suitable for the road

Is the bike to be used a lot or as a Sunday 'play thing' ?

I've also just bought a Berg (all be it currently only on off road wheels) - they make fantastic SM's (my mate I Hill Climb with runs a 450 which p1sses all over my Husky) but would, I suggest, be a bit too focused as an every day bike......but race or sunny Sunday bike it wouldn't get much better

Rambling a bit, I know, but I reckon as a everyday bike I'd be looking at something like an LC4 engined KTM or pos. the Suzi engined CCM.

For a more full on experiance go for a Berg, the latest KTM (60bhp) or, what I'd LOVE to have, one of the 450/550 v-twin 'Prillas

Then again, ANY dirt bike can be SM'd, dead easy to do. So, why not pick a dirt bike you'd like for green laning and then sort some wheels?

Andres

PS The MZ's aren't actually bad SM's, just a bit heavy
PPS Yes, Bergs all use their own engines - reasonably frequent oil changes; my 450 every 10 hours

COOL..................

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

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For a more full on experiance go for a Berg, the latest KTM (60bhp) or, what I'd LOVE to have, one of the 450/550 v-twin 'Prillas

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I know it's not what you're after, but, any excuse for some Supermoto porn

Andres

 

[MorayGSer]

KTM 990 SM

 

[squid]

Rambling a bit, I know, but I reckon as a everyday bike I'd be looking at something like an LC4 engined KTM or pos. the Suzi engined CCM.

The MZ I put a small screen on and it came with a rack. It was perfecty capable of a weekend camping trip but was also very good on the back roads. Seat was shite though as it sloped heavily. A plank can have a pad put on it for longer runs.

So although a super light weight SM would be a blast I'd like something that could cope with the same so a rear subframe would be handy.

A bike that could handle a couple of soft panniers and a tail pack but at the same time have very good running gear would be perfect.

A KTM 690SMR is a possible but I don't particulary like the latest trend for bikes that can only be worked on with a plug in test tool?

Not sure about a twin as I'd like a bike of 170KG or less.

What are the CCM 644's actually like? The 660 carb engine in the yam was excellent.

 

[squid]

I've had a few over the years and currently run a Husky 610 (the newer sort) which is now running 17" wheels which I had made for it.

What does the husky weigh in at / how many miles to a tank and will it sit at 70mph ok? How many road miles before a serice is needed?

Looks very nice

 

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What are the CCM 644's actually like? The 660 carb engine in the yam was excellent.

The Suzi engine is sweet and the big bore version that Cherokee had is quite pokey . AFAIK there were no major reliability issues, some base gasket done on warranty and that's about it I think. Certainly strong enough as they have a decent subframe and being more of a 'streetmoto' fairly sturdy. My CCM had a rack and top box fitted for the trip to the Pyrenees and no probs there.

What does the husky weigh in at / how many miles to a tank and will it sit at 70mph ok? How many road miles before a serice is needed.

Chugs along at 60/70 quite happily, to get into the Peaks from Nottingham (where I go trail riding) is a good hours run on fast roads - no problem I've never checked the mileage but a tank will do me from Nottingham to the Peaks, trail riding and almost back again.

I change the oil/filter every 3000 miles (or twice a year) but that is mostly dirt riding/hill climbing. IIRC service intervals are 5,000 miles and filter every other oil change? It is a proper 'dual sport' not an enduro bike so everything is fairly unstressed, having said that it puts out mid 50's bhp so is no slouch. Weight is around 130kg so nice and light for a 'dual sport'.

Hausky have just brought out a TE630 with a slightly bigger engine, 20% more power and beefed up subframe. Not sure why they beefed up the subframe as it's fairly substantial on mine (bike came with rear rack and pillion pegs).

Andres

 

[squid]

Oh, by the way I do have a DRZ400E for green lanes, although I could put some SM wheels on it I think the bike is not perfectly suited to longer journeys even though it has SM sprockets. But out of interest anyone know how the E performs as an SM?

I had a go of a friends Proper DR SM but felt it didn't turn as quick or feel as lively as the MZ. Might be because the MZ had a 150 rear and the DR's are over tyred running a 160?

 

[Arsey]

KTM 990 SM

A single with carbs


Plus the 950SM is much nicer

 

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Oh, by the way I do have a DRZ400E for green lanes, although I could put some SM wheels on it I think the bike is not perfectly suited to longer journeys even though it has SM sprockets. But out of interest anyone know how the E performs as an SM?

I had a go of a friends Proper DR SM but felt it didn't turn as quick or feel as lively as the MZ. Might be because the MZ had a 150 rear and the DR's are over tyred running a 160?

I had an E as well, which I SM'd (details HERE).

I'd agree about the slow steering (and mine ran a 150) and, TBH it whilst a fun bike it was a pain on the road for any distance and, probably, the least good SM I've owned.

Andres

 

[squid]

I had an E as well, which I SM'd (details HERE).

Andres

A good story that, thanks I'd like to take my young lad to watch some simlar action, is there a link to SM or hill climb events, ideally within reasonable travel of the north midlands area?

I'm not looking at racing myself (never been on a track) but my ideal SM will be a good blast and double as a short road trip machine.

Out of interest, were the SM's the fastest bikes up most hill climbs or could any of the bigger machines hold their own?

 

[Greg Masters]

The 'Berg FE570

Comes with two sets of wheels - £7495


Greg

 

[nick.ct]

What about a Baghira, a bit more SuperMoto than the Mastiff, same engine, and cheap as chips. Then spend a grand really making it fly

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

A good story that, thanks I'd like to take my young lad to watch some simlar action, is there a link to SM or hill climb events, ideally within reasonable travel of the north midlands area?

I'm not looking at racing myself (never been on a track) but my ideal SM will be a good blast and double as a short road trip machine.

Out of interest, were the SM's the fastest bikes up most hill climbs or could any of the bigger machines hold their own?

Most of the Hill Climbs are in the West Country which is a right pain. I race with the NHCA (LINKY) and nearly all their events are down that way. There are a few in the Midlands however, check out their website.

Other organisations hold them in other areas but TBH I don't know much about them.

Supermotos are way quicker than other bikes up the hills but the beauty of hill climbing (for me at least) is that it's not about being on competative machinery but just racing against yourself. I am truly crap (no false modesty, I promise you!) but get a great kick out of just getting my line on a particular bend just that but better than on the last run - I'm competiing against myself if you like.

As a spectator, pick the right meeting, and they are fab and ALL meets have such a cross section of bikes from 'run what you brung' to classics to one offs to 3 wheelers (TBH the SM's are the least interesting as there are so many of them and they always win - mind you, watching one being ridden properly is an awsome sight!). - meetings are often shared with cars as well which makes them doubly intersting.

Andres

EDIT: Oh, and these are the guys I ran Supermoto with if you fancied going to watch at one of their meetings NORA

 

[squid]

The 'Berg FE570

Comes with two sets of wheels - £7495


Greg

I did see this, but I understand they are a bit too much of a tuned machine to cope as an everyday bike :-(

 

[squid]

What about a Baghira, a bit more SuperMoto than the Mastiff, same engine, and cheap as chips. Then spend a grand really making it fly

I think the Mastiff is more the dedicated SM - you'd be better giving me mine back

But if I spotted a mint one...

 

[squid]

There are a few in the Midlands however, check out their website.

As a spectator, pick the right meeting, and they are fab and ALL meets have such a cross section of bikes from 'run what you brung' to classics to one offs to 3 wheelers (TBH the SM's are the least interesting as there are so many of them and they always win - mind you, watching one being ridden properly is an awsome sight!). - meetings are often shared with cars as well which makes them doubly intersting.

Andres

EDIT: Oh, and these are the guys I ran Supermoto with if you fancied going to watch at one of their meetings NORA

Cheers Andres,

This is the 2010 list from the link you gave. Have to take my lad to one

http://www.nhca.co.uk/Home/nhca.htm

 

[nick.ct]

I think the Mastiff is more the dedicated SM - you'd be better giving me mine back

But if I spotted a mint one...

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