Remap by Hilltop Motorcycles

[ThorH]

Your links are all Greek to me, Johngs. Literally.

Interesting to see that more people are "cracking the code" to remap. Care to spill some beans as to how hard it really is? What kind of security measures have BMW put in place, if any? Or is it just that the protocol (standard RS232?) and parameters are undocumented?

 

[Bendy toy]

Its probably not a technically difficult thing to do. The devil will be in the detail. Every engine will be subtly different so needs an expert with a rolling road to do the job properly.

Anyone can splash paint onto a canvas, but its another thing altogether to creating something of value.

 

[JohnGS1100]

You can use the goggle translation to read the links.
There are usefull details and full answer for how to, and for all questions..

Next week we'll tune and remap a R1150r. I hope to go up 92-93 Hp and make higher peak of horsers.

It is so simpe to remap it, but they need a little experiense to do it.

Good reading.

Thanks

 

[neoviper]

just a quick question do you 5 volt inject if not how do you present the bit key in other words what bit rate do you use ???

 

[neoviper]

and is this email from you

Dear Sir,

I bought the kess divice and reprogrammed my R1200RT to the following settings:

Avans :
1000-.2200 rpms, 4 degrees.
Από τις 2.200 - 4.800, 6-8 degrees.
And them 5-4-3-2 and 1 degree after 7.500 rpms.

2. Fuel to air mixture. :
800-1.800 rpms, 15:1 to 14,2:1.
1.800-2.200 14:1.
2.400-4.800 13,6-13:8:1
and from there and above 13,6 στο 12,5 :1to the reds.

My question...is there a possibility to destroy the engine??


--
D******os Pa********is
************************
Mobile Phone: +3069**************
Athens
Hellas

 

[HarrisBikeNut]

Remap v Power Commander

May be of interest to members as a comparison. Just had my 30,000 GS1200 on an 05 plate fitted with a Power Commader bought from this forum and set up by Mark at BSD in Eye near Peterboghorror. Bike has a twin can Akrapovic full system, after market air filter and the Power Commander set up - now giving 93.88 rear wheel bhp and 79.03 ft-lbs of torque.
Response is swifter and more linear, Interested to see what happens re mpg.

 

[APE]

May be of interest to members as a comparison. Just had my 30,000 GS1200 on an 05 plate fitted with a Power Commader bought from this forum and set up by Mark at BSD in Eye near Peterboghorror. Bike has a twin can Akrapovic full system, after market air filter and the Power Commander set up - now giving 93.88 rear wheel bhp and 79.03 ft-lbs of torque.
Response is swifter and more linear, Interested to see what happens re mpg.

Mark's a really nice guy i had my 1150 done there. The real question is how much power did it make before the PC ?

 

[JohnGS1100]

and is this email from you

Dear Sir,

I bought the kess divice and reprogrammed my R1200RT to the following settings:

Avans :
1000-.2200 rpms, 4 degrees.
Από τις 2.200 - 4.800, 6-8 degrees.
And them 5-4-3-2 and 1 degree after 7.500 rpms.

2. Fuel to air mixture. :
800-1.800 rpms, 15:1 to 14,2:1.
1.800-2.200 14:1.
2.400-4.800 13,6-13:8:1
and from there and above 13,6 στο 12,5 :1to the reds.

My question...is there a possibility to destroy the engine??


--
D******os Pa********is
************************
Mobile Phone: +3069**************
Athens
Hellas

No there is no problem. By a little rich fuell at high rpn is better for engine function and gives lowerest temperature at travel. You can hear it.

The advance must be upper for better concuption and for a little more power at middle rpn..

If use low octane gas or bad gas, the engine have a kcnock sensor and this tool correct the advance as needed until new fuell by better gas. After new fuell by good gas, the ECU read agains the value of map..
So there is no problem to use a liitle high advance.


This email is not from me. But these vaue are to my maps. Pobably, someone read my post (somewer in to net) and send somewere a email by my values... lol


The reprogram was being on dyno, by external knock sensor and wideband, and we makes fine tuning agains for better power.
These value are the best for power and consuption and safe function for engine.

Good luck to your remaping. As you wish you can send me a pm to give you more informations and help.

 

[Wilsdorf]

Here is a page that gives you specs for a R1200GSA. http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/bmw/bmw_r1200gs_adventure%2006.htm

Note top speed 192.7 km/h. And with the remap it gets their quick and still pulling strong in 6th gear. I havent tried redlining it in 5th. Most of the roads I ride on your not going to get over 80mph anyway

OK - GSA may be another matter - I've never owned one, or tried to get to its top speed.

I can advise that I have evidenced a standard (non-remapped) Twin cam with a Sat verified 131mph - it's rare that there is a sat set up for a lap with any of the riders though, and I would say 135mph is quite possible on the GS, and it doesn't take huge straights to achieve 125mph+

 

[Beemerman59]

I can't say I'm that anal about mpg but my feeling is after a month or so following the remap, my mpg is better than before in normal riding - around 51mpg average compared to 49mpg before if the OBC is to be believed. If I am being enthusiastic, my OBC is showing around 43mpg typically compared to 47mpg before. Sounds reasonable to me considering the extra 20bhp and increase in torque figures the remap has given the bike.

 

[BigAl&Andri]

For what it's worth I had my '08 1200 remapped by Hilltop M/Cs today and for this thread follower's information the figures are as follows:

Before: 84.23 bhp @ 7423 rpm; 68.17 ft/lb @ 5100 rpm

After: 92.68 bhp @ 5770 rpm; 87.88 ft/lb @ 5379 rpm

i.e only approx 10% increase in power BUT a massive near 30% increase in torque and both around the rev range I like it. I'm happy!

Al

 

[oldskiddy]

Had mine done on saturday, 06 GS 1200

The figures:
Before BHP 82.5 TORQUE 65.54
After BHP 89.94 TORQUE 82.16

A nice gain in torque.

 

[(RIP) Miff]

Had mine done on saturday, 06 GS 1200

The figures:
Before BHP 82.5 TORQUE 65.54
After BHP 89.94 TORQUE 82.16

A nice gain in torque.

Very useful figures, as I have an 05 model.

 

[ThorH]

Good luck to your remaping. As you wish you can send me a pm to give you more informations and help.

Johngs; neoviper is Geoff at Hilltop...

 

[Paul Wakefield]

Insurance

I asked my insurers (BMW Insurance) what impact a Hilltop remap would have on my insurance if I had it done. They said they would decline cover and I would have to find an alternative provider.

I was a bit surprised – I expected a bit of a ramp up but not a withdrawal of cover. It is only one insurer’s view but I pass this on FWIW.

 

[freelancefoto]

Why Bother?

Why bother to tell your insurer? Do you ring them up when you've broken the speed limit to plead forgiveness?

They wouldn't be able to tell are arsed to check the ECU. If your bike is reasonably standard then what's to worry about.

That's the good thing about a hilltop remap. No change in standard trim at all but more power...

 

[1964Hall]

You could have bought a used R1200 that had a remap done and know nothing about it with the exception that "this" bike seem to go better than the other ones I tried.
Just saying like...
\v/

 

[Beemerman59]

I asked my insurers (BMW Insurance) what impact a Hilltop remap would have on my insurance if I had it done. They said they would decline cover and I would have to find an alternative provider.

I was a bit surprised – I expected a bit of a ramp up but not a withdrawal of cover. It is only one insurer’s view but I pass this on FWIW.

As far as I know, only BMW back in Bavaria land could even tell if the ECU has been remapped. To get that kind of attention you will have had to have done something really bad and in that case, the ECU is the last of your worries.

I would guess they would say the same if you told them an Accelerator module was fitted or Power Commander etc. Any non OEM performance enhancing product is going to get attention. As mentioned the great thing about the remap is that its virtually undetectable. I of course run a completely standard, non-remapped bike.... just in case anyone wants to know

 

[Ali-bear]

I asked my insurers (BMW Insurance) what impact a Hilltop remap would have on my insurance if I had it done. They said they would decline cover and I would have to find an alternative provider. /QUOTE]

That's BMW insurance. Even though its just a fancy name badge applied to a regular crappy insurance company you can expect them to be a bit inflexible about mods such as this.

PS See what I did there?

 

[Martyn H]

I asked my insurers (BMW Insurance) what impact a Hilltop remap would have on my insurance if I had it done. They said they would decline cover and I would have to find an alternative provider.

I was a bit surprised – I expected a bit of a ramp up but not a withdrawal of cover. It is only one insurer’s view but I pass this on FWIW.

As the remap is arguably only putting the system into a state where it's all running efficiently, would they decline to insure a 20 year old air-head that had just been serviced properly, with the carbs now balanced & all running sweetly ?

As others have said, why mention it ?