Remap by Hilltop Motorcycles

[Wilsdorf]

I've been reading this thread on and off and haven't noticed any slander or snide comments. I am also looking to get my bike remapped by hilltop this coming summer and that is due to this thread so it can't be that bad for business as others have also done the same.

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Thank you for that post crispy duck. My own posts have not been an attempt to be snide, or to defame anyone. I have tried to give an insight into my own experience, and have even extolled the virtues of having a remap in a number of my posts. if anything, the on-going debate keeps the topic current and probably provides more free advertising than the thread being left to die months ago.

I would only note that there are other options out there. Do your own research, make your choice - if possible try and ride someones bike that has had the mod(s) you are considering and if possible try before you buy.

As you are still taking your bike to Hilltop for a remap having read the posts, I believe you are making the choice for the right reasons and for the benefits you believe it will provide for your bike - if that is the case (and as I have said a few times), I think you will be pleased with the results.

 

[DrAlf]

I’ve been following this thread with interest. I was a relatively early adopter of the Hilltop remap. Prior to the bike (1150) being mapped I had previously run a PC3 which was setup on a different dyno With a PC3 the bike made 92bhp at the rear wheel. After the PC3 failed I looked at alternatives and found Hilltop. The Hilltop map produced just over 97bhp at the rear wheel so similar ball park but with a much smoother throttle response. With a lot of hunting around I could probably find both sets of graphs.

Interestingly whilst the bike felt loads faster by the seat of the pants dyno it’s only marginally quicker than a mates bog standard 1150 – roll on testing. 1150 tuning mods include gas flowing, HC, re-profiled 1150RS cams, air box mods, full system and the remap. My bike is far nicer to ride than my mates – that’s how I’m justifying the expense in my head.

The reason I went for the remap was the due to the fact the PC3 was a real birds nest of wires which proved very unreliable in UK winter riding conditions. A remap is a much neater and more reliable option – but you can’t take it off and sell it at a later date.

 

[(RIP) Johno23]

On what basis/reasoning do you have to say that these guys are fooling themselves.They have a dyno readout from before and immediately after a remap,showing the increase.What are you suggesting has been done to fool them?

Still waiting for an answer

Last time just got a u tub link or two. one titled "A video about dyno figure manipulation by Motorsport Developmen"

Not snide though

 

[oldnfat]

Having had my 08 GSA remapped I will be taking my new TC to Hilltop in the spring...no power increase needed....just a nice smooth torque curve and less vibes.

 

[miked]

I too, find this thread snidely and rather thoughtless.

You are talking about a mans business AND reputation here, which the majority of previous clients, seem happy with?

You have been offered a full refund, why don't you either, take it, or shut up??

Go and find something more important and worthwhile to do with your time, ffs!

 

[Nutty]

I've also been following this thread, on and off. I've never had any of my bikes remapped, but if I did in the future, I know where to go. I'm surprised that some have reported a 30% increase in power/ torque, but could hardly notice a difference in performance. That seems strange.

I'm on my fifth 1200 GS, and never felt the need to get any of them remapped. As long as I'm running a bike under warranty, I'd leave it the same as it left the factory, as it would always niggle away at me.

 

[Wilsdorf]

I too, find this thread snidely and rather thoughtless.

You are talking about a mans business AND reputation here, which the majority of previous clients, seem happy with?

You have been offered a full refund, why don't you either, take it, or shut up??

Go and find something more important and worthwhile to do with your time, ffs!

The discussion is generally not about a man, or his reputation, it's about remapping a motorcycle, and the comments are not snide, as there is no malicious intent within them.

Have you anything to add to the discussion? If not, why don't you "shut up" "ffs!"

 

[Wilsdorf]

I've also been following this thread, on and off. I've never had any of my bikes remapped, but if I did in the future, I know where to go. I'm surprised that some have reported a 30% increase in power/ torque, but could hardly notice a difference in performance. That seems strange.

I'm on my fifth 1200 GS, and never felt the need to get any of them remapped. As long as I'm running a bike under warranty, I'd leave it the same as it left the factory, as it would always niggle away at me.

And if I was having a GS remapped I'd seriously consider Hilltop.

Some posters on the thread just want to cause trouble it seems, rather than discuss an interesting topic.

Any way, I'm happy to move onto a new thread to discuss the benefits, pros & cons, of the various options that are available and why one might stand out above the others - on a generic basis. Before too many comments on here start verging on personal areas.

 

[Mr Bean]

To be fair to Wilsdorf, he has been fair with questioning results - and I have no issue with that. He has paid his money and commenting on the results as he sees them. He has posted opinion that on certain models etc it is probably a good decision to remap at Hilltop.

However, there are a small number of members posting snide/questionable remarks with little or (usually) no basis for the comment. If there was evidence to support these snide comment then fair enough - I haven't seen any as of today.

I'm happy that I spent my money with Hilltop and would do it again. That does not mean Wilsdorf, et al do not have the right to view an opinion.

 

[miked]

Indeed, Wilsdorf and others, made their point many, many posts ago.

If he has the right to an open discussion, I have the right to comment that, apart from being monotonous, this thread is starting to smack of an ill informed witch hunt.


This does not strike me as an open informed discussion on re-mapping, but a snide dig at Hilltop's power claims.


To me, this and not Geoff's comment, smacks of internet bullying.

By all means, start a new thread, but take Hilltops alleged power claims, out of the discussion...

 

[Phoenix_63]

Indeed, Wilsdorf and others, made their point many, many posts ago.

If he has the right to an open discussion, I have the right to comment that, apart from being monotonous, this thread is starting to smack of an ill informed witch hunt.


This does not strike me as an open informed discussion on re-mapping, but a snide dig at Hilltop's power claims.


To me, this and not Geoff's comment, smacks of internet bullying.

By all means, start a new thread, but take Hilltops alleged power claims, out of the discussion...

I agree

 

[Wilsdorf]

miked and Phoenix_63 point taken - I suppose I have looked at me raising what I felt was a valid point, in respect of a 30% bhp increase, and commensurate torque against my on-road experiences (I appreciate I may have repeated myself though), and against the threat of legal action - and one certainly would appear to me to be more intimidating behavior than that of a few members.

But, as I say, point taken, and you may or may not have noticed that, I have moved my conversation to another thread, so that I can continue an open debate about the benefits, or potential pitfalls of different tuning options. I'd rather look at informative input from members with experience of different options than have things turn into a them and us, or be interpreted as an attack on anyone or any one thing.

www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?359363-Power-Commander-Remap-or-other

 

[Phoenix_63]

Yawn...

 

[Wilsdorf]

Yawn...

Whatever - grow up!

 

[neoviper]

if you are buying a new bike and you have had a remap from me on your old one i will give you £100 off the new bike remap.
And i thank the members that support my work ,
ride safe and have a good year

geoff

 

[Ali-bear]

I for one always question what I read on internet forums. I am a born skeptic. Nothing wrong with discussing these things in fact UKGSer is generally a well-behaved flame-free environment and a good place for it.

Geoff I may be visiting you in the spring

 

[Wilsdorf]

if you are buying a new bike and you have had a remap from me on your old one i will give you £100 off the new bike remap.
And i thank the members that support my work ,
ride safe and have a good year

geoff

Very good price for a remap set up on a dyno

 

[Fluffmeister]

if you are buying a new bike and you have had a remap from me on your old one i will give you £100 off the new bike remap.
And i thank the members that support my work ,
ride safe and have a good year

geoff

I wish you'd said that last May

 

[Smuzzy]

I wish you'd said that last May

Me too in September!

 

[spm0912]

£100 off had my TC GS done and was very pleased with the result. Been thinking of getting my new GSA mapped but couldn't really afford it, until now. Will be on the phone to Geoff this week.