Deleted account 200417001
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Or one that has checked more than the lights and horn.
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Or one that has checked more than the lights and horn.
Correct but they do I believe have to confirm the details on line?
Surely BMWs records will set matters straight for you - get a screen print of the warranty work from your local dealer to clarify. Then advise DVLA & get the V5 changed.
At MOT, the tester should check the VIN with the DVLA record that will pop up on screen when they log in the registration number. I have never seen/heard of them checking the engine number, often difficult to find/view on a corroded engine.
At MOT, the tester should check the VIN with the DVLA record that will pop up on screen when they log in the registration number. I have never seen/heard of them checking the engine number, often difficult to find/view on a corroded engine.
Be aware that when you inform the DVLA of the change of engine number you really need to include a short letter of explaination from the dealer who fitted it . If you do not there is a likelyhood that the DVLA will require an engineers report regarding the engine change.
Gone are the days of merely swapping engines and telling the DVLA the new number, per the DVLA website they may very well refuse to issue a new V5c regarding a change of engine number or capacity unless you include either.....
1.a receipt for the replacement engine
2. written evidence from the manufacturer
3. an inspection report provided for insurance purposes
4. written confirmation on headed paper from a garage (if the change took place before you bought the vehicle )
Gone are the days of merely swapping engines and telling the DVLA the new number, per the DVLA website they may very well refuse to issue a new V5c regarding a change of engine number or capacity unless you include either.....
1.a receipt for the replacement engine
2. written evidence from the manufacturer
3. an inspection report provided for insurance purposes
4. written confirmation on headed paper from a garage (if the change took place before you bought the vehicle )
The requirements for the MOT are
Frame number / VIN Present & legible
Registration plates
Thats all that is checked .
Fact!
Frame number / VIN Present & legible
Registration plates
Thats all that is checked .
Fact!
MrMcNamara
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Engine change is no big deal & should realistically be seen as a benefit, mine was changed at 4,5k, I got the later gearbox / heavier crank did no concern me in the least, I will advertise the engine / gearbox swap as a positive when I sell though, just relax & enjoy the bike
MrMcNamara
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Not correct - just register the new number, worked for me
Sorry but it is correct and is lifted directly from the DVLA website , I know a couple of people who have fallen foul of this and the DVLA has declined to issue them with a new V5C showing the new engine number until they complied with the stipulations.
Also we have done a few engine changes on light commercials where DVLA have insisted on proof of purchase of the replacement engine
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omnione
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I had my engine/gearbox unit replaced because of corrosion a few months ago. I was given the label that was attached to it which had the new engine number and details of the date of manufacture, I photocopied it, included a covering letter explaining what had happened and sent the whole lot to the DVLA who issued a new V5 without any issues.
Far from seeing this as a problem I was delighted, the latest spec power unit for free. (a figure of £9000 was mentioned if I had being paying for it). What a win win.
To be honest I did not notice too much difference in the engine but the gearbox was a huge improvement.
As the others have said get the V5 amended (with help from the dealer if necessary) count yourself really lucky and get out and enjoy it.
Far from seeing this as a problem I was delighted, the latest spec power unit for free. (a figure of £9000 was mentioned if I had being paying for it). What a win win.
To be honest I did not notice too much difference in the engine but the gearbox was a huge improvement.
As the others have said get the V5 amended (with help from the dealer if necessary) count yourself really lucky and get out and enjoy it.
The dealer who sold me the bike was the same dealer who swapped the engine ,
I have spoken to the previous owner of the bike to find out why and it was replaced due to the cam chain snapping and completely destroying the engine , There was also a paint issue of flaking off but that was obviously sorted as well with the engine swap , The wheels are starting to get bubbly and pitted so maybe there is an issue with the paintwork on the whole bike ,
Why didn't the dealer sort the paperwork and also include any paperwork about the engine swap and explain this to me when i parted with my 10k ??
There are hundreds of these machines out there and i didn't have the bargain of the century with the deal ,
I have also had a long hard think about if i would of bought the bike if i had been told about the engine and i can honestly say i would of walked if i had known about the paint work and the engine swap as there are plenty more to choose from , The bike only had 12k miles on it when i bought it so the engine is basically new anyway , I then emailed the dealer this morning and he didn't know why the engine was swapped , i don't think he even checked !!
His reply was i think the paint had flaked off and a lot of customers had the engine swapped for this reason when in fact the same dealer swapped the engine for chain failure only 4 months ago , He also said just to send the V5 off and get it changed , " They had the V5 from previous owner so why didn't they do it "
Im personally not happy with the news and would of bought a different one 100% ,
Getting anywhere with this tho is another story so if i don't have any luck with the dealer i will be taking it up with HQ
Thanks for all your comments
I have spoken to the previous owner of the bike to find out why and it was replaced due to the cam chain snapping and completely destroying the engine , There was also a paint issue of flaking off but that was obviously sorted as well with the engine swap , The wheels are starting to get bubbly and pitted so maybe there is an issue with the paintwork on the whole bike ,
Why didn't the dealer sort the paperwork and also include any paperwork about the engine swap and explain this to me when i parted with my 10k ??
There are hundreds of these machines out there and i didn't have the bargain of the century with the deal ,
I have also had a long hard think about if i would of bought the bike if i had been told about the engine and i can honestly say i would of walked if i had known about the paint work and the engine swap as there are plenty more to choose from , The bike only had 12k miles on it when i bought it so the engine is basically new anyway , I then emailed the dealer this morning and he didn't know why the engine was swapped , i don't think he even checked !!
His reply was i think the paint had flaked off and a lot of customers had the engine swapped for this reason when in fact the same dealer swapped the engine for chain failure only 4 months ago , He also said just to send the V5 off and get it changed , " They had the V5 from previous owner so why didn't they do it "
Im personally not happy with the news and would of bought a different one 100% ,
Getting anywhere with this tho is another story so if i don't have any luck with the dealer i will be taking it up with HQ
Thanks for all your comments
To me you are making a big deal out of nothing. You have a bike with the latest engine and gearbox which is probably under manufacturer warranty. The fact that the engine is new is a positive not a negative. Just ride it and enjoy. I just can't see the problem. JJH
When i spend 10 i expect to be told about a major change about something the same dealer done to the bike 2 months prior , To not tell me and then expect me to do the paperwork is not good for customer service , I won't accept it and i will fight for either a part refund or a full refund on the bike that has had issues all through its 3 year life
Strangely when my new gs wc bike went back to Benhams after I rejected it due to mis aligned frame issue that tried to kill me and I binned it, they had to reframe and rebuild the whole bike, I wonder if they told the new owner about its dodgy past ! I'm sure they did not because they asked myself not to disclose the reg details and the second one that started life with a light flywheel engine and ended up with a new heavy flywheel engine and still had issues.
Thats why I now ride a KTM
All on computer now
So if the new engine is different number - then as Paul S has said there could be trouble ahead
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I think you'll struggle on this as you are not materially worse off.
Good luck though.
Let us know how it goes.
I'm of the same opinion as the OP, he feels like he's bought a lemon. Logically though others are correct and if he's got a completely new engine/gearbox assembly that can only be a good thing, particularly as the early boxes were so blloody awful.
What really sends a shudder down my spine is the reason for the gearbox replacement, a failed cam chain. If it's the right cylinder the chain falls into the gearbox and can lock it, an unforgivable design error that may well cost somebody their life.
What really sends a shudder down my spine is the reason for the gearbox replacement, a failed cam chain. If it's the right cylinder the chain falls into the gearbox and can lock it, an unforgivable design error that may well cost somebody their life.
But they still only check the VIN number - or at least that's all they have with mine.
Isn't that potentially the same for the majority of combined engine/gearbox casings?
sven
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It will be interesting come MOT time for all these bikes that have had an engine change - correct me if I am wrong but I believe that an MOT cannot be issued for a bike where the engine and frame numbers do not match the details on the V5
Therefore best to make sure the V5 has been updated
As to the OP - yes a bit annoying that the dealer did not mention it - go back and see if you can get a free service or something of that ilk to compensate.
Otherwise I would not worry about it
I still haven't got round to updating my V5, but it sailed through the MOT without an issue.....although it was MOT'd by the dealer who fitted the engine
The engine and drive shaft assembly is the heart of the bike, so I was delighted to receive a new one then the bike was two years old, especially with the improved gearbox. It was like getting a new bike
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